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Old 05-05-2007, 02:39 PM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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That's the problem with the word "deviant." It sounds awful, yet I've heard time and time its use. What they were referring to was adulterers!
what have 'deviants' and 'adulterers' got to do with gay people? Do I lump child abusers in with priests?
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Old 05-05-2007, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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Well, a Christian can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that for them cheating (ie being promiscuous) and being same-sex attracted are in the same area of sin.
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Old 05-05-2007, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Between Here and There
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what have 'deviants' and 'adulterers' got to do with gay people? Do I lump child abusers in with priests?
Okay although I think "deviant" is a poor choice of word that was used here to decribe any sexual sin, I do need to point out that your logic is flawed in your statement.

If you are gay you are attracted to the same sex and therefore all gay people would be having sex with the people of the same gender...therefore deviating from the norm which is opposite gender sex. So in that context gay people would be sexual deviants. Again not the word I would choose, because obviously there are many other sexual practices that would be considered deviant behavior and many incredibly morally offensive and shouldn't be grouped together with homosexual sex between two consenting adults.

But to say that grouping child abusers together with priests is the same as saying gay people are sexual deviants is flawed because although some priests have been child abusers not all have. The comparison doesn't make sense.
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Old 05-05-2007, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Mayberry
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I'd like to know. I am straight and happily married, but as hossierguy stated in an earlier thread, how do Christians want to be viewed by Gay people? I would love to see a class in which a gay person tries to 'cure' a Christian of their 'strange' beliefs!!

Wouldn't that be great!
Why do Christians care how they are viewed by Gay people? Do Gay people really go out of their way to change Christians beliefs about being gay? I don't get this. If a Gay person asks a Christian what they think, then the obvious answer would be " change you ways ". The Christian beliefs are not strange to them. Just like the Gay's beliefs are not strange to them either. Everyone should just be what they want to be and believe what they want to believe.
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Old 05-05-2007, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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Why do Christians care how they are viewed by Gay people? Do Gay people really go out of their way to change Christians beliefs about being gay? I don't get this. If a Gay person asks a Christian what they think, then the obvious answer would be " change you ways ". The Christian beliefs are not strange to them. Just like the Gay's beliefs are not strange to them either. Everyone should just be what they want to be and believe what they want to believe.
No, instead I try my hardest to educate people (mostly religious) about why seperation of church and state is so important. Christians have an unhealthy tendency to attempt to outlaw/ban anything that recognizes gay people as existing.
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Old 05-05-2007, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Mayberry
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No, instead I try my hardest to educate people (mostly religious) about why seperation of church and state is so important. Christians have an unhealthy tendency to attempt to outlaw/ban anything that recognizes gay people as existing.
I am not a Christian, but I am sure they view being Gay as a sin along with many other things I don't agree with, but I think they want to be viewed as right. It is their christian duty to witness and testify to others about their beliefs whether or not we would like them to do so. I go to a Christian based coffee shop, the only Starbuck's like place here and believe me it is not suttle. There is scripture on the walls and the drinks are religiously named. I am sure some poeple feel very uncomfortable there. Thank you for this post. It is once again educational and helpful for me.
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Old 05-05-2007, 04:01 PM
 
Location: The 719
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What if there was a gay Christian? Or a gay person trapped in a Christian's body? Something I learnt in Sociology class 101 was that the only positive coorelation they had about gay people was the time they hit puberty. If that is true then it seems true to me (please don't judge and crucify me fellow Christians, I'm just keeping an open mind here) that God created gay people. If that's true, then there would be a purpose for gay people too. If not just to help me design my house and maybe some relationship counselling (sometimes on that crazy show Six Feet Under, it seems that the only healthy couple is the black cop and what's his name?), then maybe these folks go to Heaven too!

Oops! I think I just burned my Christian card up for considering such things. (PS, Christian people; although I shouldn't even be watching such shows, I still close my eyes during the gay scenes, not for fear of eternal punishment but because it just isn't my thing- unlike Father Nelson- but I've seen some gay people, including one of my favorite cousins who act alot better than some of the christians I know).
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Old 11-08-2007, 02:57 PM
 
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I'd like to know. I am straight and happily married, but as hossierguy stated in an earlier thread, how do Christians want to be viewed by Gay people? I would love to see a class in which a gay person tries to 'cure' a Christian of their 'strange' beliefs!!

Wouldn't that be great!
Hopefully Gay people will realize that not all Christians are the same.
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Old 11-08-2007, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Earth
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When "christians" stop killing gay people in the name of their god; when Fred Phelps and his ilk stop protesting homosexuality at inappropriate venues; when christians stop trying to make laws against gay people, when christians start promoting equality for all people in all things, it will be easier.

When you're being attacked, denied housing and employment, even membership in the boy scouts, to name a few discriminations, it's a little difficult to look lovingly at those persecuting and causing you harm, don't you think?

Don't put it on the gay population, put it on the christians. If the behavior practiced by fellow christians is not acceptable to you, be vocal about it. Don't silently suffer the abuses and say nothing.
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Somewhere along the path to where I'd like to be.
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Funny how that doesn't go both ways. When Christians speak out against homosexuality, we're branded as bigots and hatemongers. When you want to speak out against Christianity, it's somehow a virtue. Why is it that those who cry out for tolerance can't tolerate those who disagree with them?
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