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Despite all of the push for creationism it is still a fact that evolution is the natural process that created the variety of life that exists today. Evolution is the basis for all biology and explains the relationship between all living things. It makes no sense to be living in the twenty first century and arguing about a fact that was discovered before the Civil War. Origin of Species was published in 1859. It is obvious that the author of Genesis didn't have the foggiest idea about life's beginnings.
You're right!!! And everything that was accurate in 1859 is still accurate now!! Thank you! It's amazing to me you guys do a much better job making arguments against yourselves than we do!
Since I know you've been in several posts where I have discussed the way Christ changed the Old Law, I won't go into that here unless some specifically asks for it.
Also, according to your OP, this was before sin and so, before immorality, so maybe you did a better job of explaining this to yourself than anyone else could.
Que?? You confused me here. The immoral behavior(incest) started after the first sin(The eating of the forbidden fruit) You lost me.
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Lastly, sorry if I mixed you up with someone else. I was under the impression you were a staunch, non-believing, atheist who wanted nothing to do with any organized or disorganized religion.
Your impression was correct. However, I never complained of ppl shoving it down my throat. And even if I'm not a believer, I still like to know why ppl would believe in certain stories.
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If you are genuinely searching for answers, I stand corrected and apologize for my curtness.
Like I've said in preivious posts, I'm not in threads about Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy....because I don't believe in any of them.
LOl! Neither do I. You forgot about the leprechauns. But those stories have already been debunked.
Well I really don't think there was much choice who to mate with in the beginning, and it is not a given that retardation will result just a higher chance.
Sorry, spunky, but you can't argue with biology on this one. Incest between two immediate families would have a HIGH occurence of retardation and mutation.
Adam and Eve did not know of good and evil. They were innocent. They couldn't have known that the "talking snake" was lying to them. But if God is all knowing, and knew that they would have believed the serpent, why did God not stop the serpent? Why the "test" if He knew the outcome?
If God knows what we will do before it happens, what good is Free Will?
Yes they were innocent until they disobeyed God, He told them not to eat the fruit. Eve was deceived by the devil, she listened to his lies instead of listening to God, when we do that there are always consequences.The devil wants us to question God and think "did God say that". And since God is all knowing and knew this would happen He provided a way out...Jesus. We have free will because God does not want robots He wants us to love Him because we want to.
I think you've already made up your mind not to believe just as I have made up mine to believe.
Que?? You confused me here. The immoral behavior(incest) started after the first sin(The eating of the forbidden fruit) You lost me.
Ditto with the que??? How do you know this? The Bible was not written chronologically. I personally believe Cane and Abel were born prior to the fall, hence God's proclamation that He would INCREASE Eve's labor pains. If none were there, what would there have been to increase? At any rate, as I respond to your post the irrelevance will rise to the surface.....
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Your impression was correct. However, I never complained of ppl shoving it down my throat. And even if I'm not a believer, I still like to know why ppl would believe in certain stories.
I'm not in the habit of spending my time and energy answering questions which you have presupposed the answer. I remember back when I first joined CD, I answered a post by ontheroad about answering a question just to see the same person in another thread asking the same question again....I wasn't referring to ontheroad, but I was referring to folks who do that....You can call this what you want, but I call it trolling, or at least, baiting....neither of which I'm interested in......
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LOl! Neither do I. You forgot about the leprechauns. But those stories have already been debunked.
Great point!! And the one in your OP hasn't been....not in THOUSANDS of years....why think so highly of yourself that you could now accomplish what millenium hasn't.
You know that you and I have never had 'cross' words and I sure hope you don't think that's what I am saying. I'm just saying that no one is going to come in here and sufficiently satisfy your 'question'.
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Adam and Eve did not know of good and evil. They were innocent. They couldn't have known that the "talking snake" was lying to them. But if God is all knowing, and knew that they would have believed the serpent, why did God not stop the serpent? Why the "test" if He knew the outcome?
If God knows what we will do before it happens, what good is Free Will?
Yes they were innocent until they disobeyed God, He told them not to eat the fruit. Eve was deceived by the devil, she listened to his lies instead of listening to God, when we do that there are always consequences.The devil wants us to question God and think "did God say that". And since God is all knowing and knew this would happen He provided a way out...Jesus. We have free will because God does not want robots He wants us to love Him because we want to.
I think you've already made up your mind not to believe just as I have made up mine to believe.[/QUOTE]
If she did not know of good and evil, how was she to know the devil lied and decieved her?
If He knew the outcome why bother with all this? What's the point of free will, if He already knows how it will turn out and knows what action to take?
I'm not trying to change anyones mind. I'll say it again, I just want your POV. Thanks!
BTW, no one has answered the misogyny and the morals or lack thereof in question.
Mysogyny, how do you see it? Both Adam and Eve were punished. Eve because she was the one that initially took the fruit and gave it to Adam. She tempted him but he could have resisted.
You're right!!! And everything that was accurate in 1859 is still accurate now!! Thank you! It's amazing to me you guys do a much better job making arguments against yourselves than we do!
I couldn't really make any sense out of your comments. The discovery that evolution was occuring in nature was first explained in Origin of Species and as science has progressed a massive amount of data from geology, paleontology, fossil records, genetic studies, etc. has expanded our knowledge of the subject. Science is always learning new things and refining or even abandoning old ideas but I said nothing that was self contradictory. If you think you have a point to make you'll need to do a better job of explaining yourself.
Ditto with the que??? How do you know this? The Bible was not written chronologically. I personally believe Cane and Abel were born prior to the fall, hence God's proclamation that He would INCREASE Eve's labor pains. If none were there, what would there have been to increase? At any rate, as I respond to your post the irrelevance will rise to the surface.....
You personally believe it was not written chronologically?
Why would he increase her labor pains? Maybe b/c she committed the sin by eating the forbidden fruit, thus God punishing her by increasing her pains. You still haven't justified either the incest or the blaming of mankind for a sin committed by Eve.
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I'm not in the habit of spending my time and energy answering questions which you have presupposed the answer. I remember back when I first joined CD, I answered a post by ontheroad about answering a question just to see the same person in another thread asking the same question again....I wasn't referring to ontheroad, but I was referring to folks who do that....You can call this what you want, but I call it trolling, or at least, baiting....neither of which I'm interested in......
You're not in the habit, but doing a great job so far. You can call it trolling or whatever you want. I'll state it again, I was simply asking your POV, yes to start a discussion but not an antagonistic argument like you have. You, however, have and had the option not to partake in this discussion.
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Great point!! And the one in your OP hasn't been....not in THOUSANDS of years....why think so highly of yourself that you could now accomplish what millenium hasn't.
You know that you and I have never had 'cross' words and I sure hope you don't think that's what I am saying. I'm just saying that no one is going to come in here and sufficiently satisfy your 'question'.
Peace----OUT!
Wrong. I don't think I'll be able to debunk your religion on this thread. Science in due time will take care of that for me. If calling me a troll or baiter is not inciting a cross of words, I don't know what is. But I'll pass.
I'll just assume you had a temporary dissociation from reality, and forget the troll comment.
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