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Well, respectfully, freedom, (and I find that you usually post quite rational arguments even though you'rre a believer), to dispute or refute honest scepticism and demand that it be replaced with a fable that obviously flies in the face of so many simple and logical questions is perhaps, in and of itself, a bit arrogant, wouldn't you say?
Tell me that our questions are arrogant, and not just logically and properly sceptical, as all scientific inquiry must be. In light of the total lack of even a smidgen of potential proof (which we could then run with and examine further through honest experimentation) can you understand our growing impatience? I know you can. But can you also admit it online? "There's the rub" m'laddie!
Your questions are valid, your post is eloquent. I don't begrudge a seekers quest, whether it is of the natural non believers or the supernatural believers position, which brings the point to Scripture and God are in the Supernatural realm, and not defined or proven by the natural scientific methods of discovery.
To some believers, God is able to transcend all physical contraints and structures.
Example: Jesus multiplied matter (fishes and loaves). Defied Gravity, Overcame death, caused fields of grain to ripen off season, healed those that could not naturally be healed, and transport himself through walls and thin air without anyother mode of transportation.
So when Scientific Physical laws as we understand them to be in our everyday lives, are ignored by the creator of all things, and those who wield His power, it doesn't really cause a believer any pause or dismay.
Therefore arguments formed under the contraints of Natural become cumbersome when we are dealing in Super natural realms.
This is pretty technical, but if you can wade through it is interesting...Lots of new tools available now that track not only the migration to the Americas, but human migration world wide.
I tryed to read all that, but my brain almost busted wide open . If it were a wood working manual, I could keep up with. But, ya can't say that I didn't try. Thanks for the info though.
What happened Campbell? Get caught in a time warp? You are back to posting the Ararat anomaly again for....what is it the 23rd time? Run out of arguments have we? Well that should make it easy for you...Just cut and paste whichever of your posts fits the bill.
The fact that there is an Ararat anomaly is something we should not forget about. Now I know this is the kind of evidence you would like to sweep under the rug and pretend it does not exist. If Evolution had any evidence as strong as this, I'm sure you would be placing it up on billboards. The evidence we have, is the evidence we present. If you want to ignore that evidence or pretend it does not exist, that's your choice. Yet, when the opportunity presents itself, I will keep pointing out what others like you work to ignore. Because the only way you can believe what you believe, is if you are willing to ignore all the other evidence that refutes your position.
If there were actual evidence Campbell, my mind is open to change, but nothing you have presented is evidence. It is nothing more than speculation and hearsay. Constantly repeating it serves no purpose.
If there were actual evidence Campbell, my mind is open to change, but nothing you have presented is evidence. It is nothing more than speculation and hearsay. Constantly repeating it serves no purpose.
Well since we have eyewitiness accounts it is not just hearsay. And we have some very good photos from a distance. One such picture shows a building like structure at over 15,000 feet. And you just ignored that. So I don't believe your really open to anything that would support the Bible. Even when we have two ancient 18 foot red granit pilliars that marks the site of the Red Sea crossing, with Biblical names chisled in them which confirms the Biblical account, all I hear from you is denials, and silence. So your right, repeating truth to someone that is not open to that truth really serves no purpose. Thankfully, there are others who are open to such truth, and do consider such finds.
The fact that there is an Ararat anomaly is something we should not forget about. Now I know this is the kind of evidence you would like to sweep under the rug and pretend it does not exist. If Evolution had any evidence as strong as this, I'm sure you would be placing it up on billboards. The evidence we have, is the evidence we present. If you want to ignore that evidence or pretend it does not exist, that's your choice. Yet, when the opportunity presents itself, I will keep pointing out what others like you work to ignore. Because the only way you can believe what you believe, is if you are willing to ignore all the other evidence that refutes your position.
If you are speaking of Evolution, that is built on mans assumptions. The Bible on the other hand has historical evidence that confirms it's truth, along with truthful prophecies.
Well since we have eyewitiness accounts it is not just hearsay. And we have some very good photos from a distance. One such picture shows a building like structure at over 15,000 feet. And you just ignored that. So I don't believe your really open to anything that would support the Bible. Even when we have two ancient 18 foot red granit pilliars that marks the site of the Red Sea crossing, with Biblical names chisled in them which confirms the Biblical account, all I hear from you is denials, and silence. So your right, repeating truth to someone that is not open to that truth really serves no purpose. Thankfully, there are others who are open to such truth, and do consider such finds.
Again with the repetition...Your pillars mean nothing as they were erected at least 400 years after the Red Sea crossing myth supposedly happened. I agree with you that some are open to believing myths, but they are becoming fewer in number.
If you are speaking of Evolution, that is built on mans assumptions. The Bible on the other hand has historical evidence that confirms it's truth, along with truthful prophecies.
I was refering specifically to the bolded part of your post, And like all science, evoloution is based on observation. If youd like a real world example i suggest looking in to the Darwin Finch.
Well since we have eyewitiness accounts it is not just hearsay. And we have some very good photos from a distance. One such picture shows a building like structure at over 15,000 feet. And you just ignored that. So I don't believe your really open to anything that would support the Bible. Even when we have two ancient 18 foot red granit pilliars that marks the site of the Red Sea crossing, with Biblical names chisled in them which confirms the Biblical account, all I hear from you is denials, and silence. So your right, repeating truth to someone that is not open to that truth really serves no purpose. Thankfully, there are others who are open to such truth, and do consider such finds.
Even if the Ararat item is actually a ship up there, that still wouldn't prove that EVERY SINGLE SPECIES OF ANIMAL was on board with enough food and fresh water to somehow sustain all of them for 40 days while they defecated and urinated all over the wooden ship. All it proves is that at some point, a ship was able to crash into Ararat.
Plus, think about all those gigantic animals being on one ship together, that's a lot of weight. The most massive cruise ships can only hold about 5000 people, at 200 pounds each, that's still only 1,000,000 pounds. And that's with incredible advances in technology and design, composite materials, teams of hundreds of skilled workers (not just one man) building for months and spending a billion dollars to complete. An African Elephant weighs 12,000 pounds, Hippo weighs 5,500, Rhinos weigh 3,000, Tapirs weigh 800 pounds, Pandas weigh 250 pounds, Giraffes weigh 3,000 pounds, Polar Bear weighs 2,000 pounds, so does a Brown Bear, An Eastern Lowland Gorilla weighs 500 pounds, A giant tortoise can weigh 500 pounds, and a lion can weigh 500 pounds. Add (two of each) just those together (a tiny sample size of all creatures, especially if you don't believe in Evolution) and you get 60,000 pounds! The San Diego Zoo has over 800 species, do you really think that Noah had 1,000+ species on his WOODEN ship? If so, how did he feed the carnivores? What about the herbivores that require massive amounds of grass to survive?
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. If it were a wood working manual, I could keep up with. But, ya can't say that I didn't try. Thanks for the info though. 
