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You feel it is your responsibility to try and force your religious views on gay people, but we'd rather just be left alone.
Your just speaking of yourself right? Even that i don't believe...
The Gay movement is far from wanting to be left alone, they have pressed the workplace, schools, churches, government, private and public organizations, media and entertainment, parades, public service announcements, military and the sanctity of marriage which did not have to be prefaced by "between a man and a woman" it was understood.
You guys are out there and not wanting to be left alone, but wanting to force your lifestyle into mainstream acceptance. And when one voice spiritual or traditional opinions then they are judged as Haters, bigots, Right wing nuts etc......
You were better off in my opinion when you truly wanted to be left alone.
You just proved my point. All it takes is attraction to your own gender to be homosexual. Sex is just extra.
And you ignore what I posted earlier concerning what Christ said about lust in ones heart. They are the same in the eyes of the lord. If you lust for another in your heart (and that is what a "sexual attraction" is basically, a sexual desire for another), then it is no different than the act itself.
No.. being born gay.. would make them gay. So I'm referring to "gay" people.. people who are gay.
Since your daughters aren't gay then I'm not sure they are a good example.
The point is they are not Born gay, you think they are, but they really are not.
The movement wants it to be so, so that they can not be held accountable for their decisions by their peers, but it just isn't truth. You as a believer should know that God does not make people to be sinful and that there is an age of accountability that we all reach, where our decisions are ours...
You can think that to make yourself feel good, but when I don't believe that being gay is a "sin", then my perception is you're attacking me. You think I'm "endangered", but I don't. I don't want your "help", prayers, or anything else. You feel it is your responsibility to try and force your religious views on gay people, but we'd rather just be left alone.
Your perception is irrelevant to truth, it is that very perception that justifies the sin. You can claim I attack you, but that is a weak argument to ignore the fact that I do not approve or accept the sin. I have been clear over and over about the separation between the sin and the person and a Christians duty. To proclaim I am attacking the person is akin to a child proclaiming they are hated because they were corrected on the wrong they did. Its illogical, its emotional, it is invalid.
To proclaim I am attacking the person is akin to a child proclaiming they are hated because they were corrected on the wrong they did.
But what if the gays are the parents (who are right) and the anti-gay Christians are the child (who are wrong)? It is not as if this never had happened before. Until recently Christians found nothing wrong with the segregation of black and white.
It was even supported by several Christian churches.
Or...you could be gay and be in a long term relationship..just like a hetero marriage and ask yourself "sex? what's that?" LOL. 9 yrs for me - longer than most "hetero" marriages! I have pals who just celebrated their 32nd yr. anniversary!!!!!
The issue is the act be it in heart or in physical. If two people love each other and they have no sexual desire for each other or have sex physically, they are not gay.
If a person loves their sibling and lives with them, are they incestuous? What makes them so? Is it not either a desire to be so in their hearts or the act of sex between each other? Nobody could deny that a family loves each other, yet what is the difference? Thats the issue. The Bible teaches us to love thy neighbor, does that mean we are all homosexuals? Is the Bible saying "have sex" with your neighbor? Obviously that is not the case, so then what makes it different? Sex makes it different.
to force your lifestyle into mainstream acceptance.
Lol isn't that the same as asking to be left alone? Fat people for example have formed groups in places like america to enforce laws that prevent the discrimination of people based on their weigh, their actions are nearly identical to the gay movement albeit with a lot less history. Affirmative action follows a history of discrimination so your idea of what "wanting to be left alone" is seems to be the same as "shut up and take the abuse"
No.. being born gay.. would make them gay. So I'm referring to "gay" people.. people who are gay.
Since your daughters aren't gay then I'm not sure they are a good example.
Being born gay has never been proven. It may feel that way to some people who have had only homosexual feelings their entire life, but I have known guys who started out straight and went gay later on. Pro-gay people are going to say they were probably gay all along but just hiding it, but that was not the case. They were definately straight. I have also known gay teenagers who went straight later on. One of my friends in high school was gay, but now he is straight and happily married. He is also atheist so no religious morality guided his decision to leave the gay lifestyle. He just outgrew those desires. People's sexual desires CAN change.
Originally Posted by bchris02 And you know this how?
Next you will be telling me that we are all born bisexual but choose to be heterosexual, homosexual or to stay bi.
How do you know they didn't have a change of desire? Just because you think you were born gay and have only known homosexual desires doesn't mean it can't be different for other people.
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Until recently Christians found nothing wrong with the segregation of black and white.
And you know this how?