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Old 03-08-2022, 09:40 AM
 
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Some people don't understand and like to make the claim I'm here to "bash" religion, but that's not true...

I'm always repeating there is the "good, bad and ugly" that needs to be considered. In the case of religion, it's easy to recognize all the good, but I'm also all for recognizing all the bad. This is one of the results of critical thinking and objectivity. I do not suffer from the bias so many people suffer from as they seem only able to see the good and utterly refuse to recognize all the bad.

In part this is how and why I wrote my Ten Truths the way I did...

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Old 03-08-2022, 11:19 AM
 
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Some people don't understand and like to make the claim I'm here to "bash" religion, but that's not true...

I'm always repeating there is the "good, bad, and ugly" that needs to be considered. In the case of religion, it's easy to recognize all the good, but I'm also all for recognizing all the bad. This is one of the results of critical thinking and objectivity. I do not suffer from the bias so many people suffer from as they seem only able to see the good and utterly refuse to recognize all the bad.

In part, this is how and why I wrote my Ten Truths the way I did...
Your Ten Assertions are biased by your so-called reality limitation. They amount to describing and explaining how a three-legged stool can possibly work by ignoring the existence of the third leg.
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Old 03-08-2022, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Your Ten Assertions are biased by your so-called reality limitation. They amount to describing and explaining how a three-legged stool can possibly work by ignoring the existence of the third leg.
First sentence I agree with. Second sentence, twaddle.
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Old 03-08-2022, 07:26 PM
 
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Some people don't understand and like to make the claim I'm here to "bash" religion, but that's not true...I'm always repeating there is the "good, bad and ugly" that needs to be considered. In the case of religion, it's easy to recognize all the good, but I'm also all for recognizing all the bad. This is one of the results of critical thinking and objectivity. I do not suffer from the bias so many people suffer from as they seem only able to see the good and utterly refuse to recognize all the bad. In part this is how and why I wrote my Ten Truths the way I did...
then surely you are able to "recognize all the bad" in the list of your 'ten opinions'
right?

surely you are on board with being "also all for recognizing all the bad" in the list of 'ten opinions'
to demonstrate that much touted 'critical thinking and objectivity.'

right?
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Old 03-08-2022, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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then surely you are able to "recognize all the bad" in the list of your 'ten opinions'
right?

surely you are on board with being "also all for recognizing all the bad" in the list of 'ten opinions'
to demonstrate that much touted 'critical thinking and objectivity.'

right?
Have you "published" some type of statement of personal philosophy here on the site? I must have missed it.
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Old 03-09-2022, 08:33 AM
 
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then surely you are able to "recognize all the bad" in the list of your 'ten opinions'
right?

surely you are on board with being "also all for recognizing all the bad" in the list of 'ten opinions'
to demonstrate that much touted 'critical thinking and objectivity.'

right?
I think just like you when you express your opinion(s), you believe them to be well justified. I do the same thing...

I feel all 10 are well justified and worthy of consideration at a minimum. I've also had lots of people compliment the general explanation I provide by way of these truths. I keep getting surprise Reps about them still to this day. Most if not all arguments and objections otherwise have not really been about the veracity of what I explain, but I'm always willing to consider specifics and continue to address them. Generalities like your comment here are not helpful when it comes to what "good, bad or ugly" you are referring to.

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Old 03-09-2022, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I think just like you when you express your opinion(s), you believe them to be well justified. I do the same thing...

I feel all 10 are well justified and worthy of consideration at a minimum. I've also had lots of people compliment the general explanation I provide by way of these truths. I keep getting surprise Reps about them still to this day. Most if not all arguments and objections otherwise have not really been about the veracity of what I explain, but I'm always willing to consider specifics and continue to address them. Generalities like your comment here are not helpful when it comes to what "good, bad or ugly" you are referring to.
I think the problem has always been that you label them as truths.
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Old 03-09-2022, 08:05 PM
 
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I think the problem has always been that you label them as truths.
yes. i agree.

they are his "ten opinions" or "ten ideas" or "ten subjective views" or "ten thoughts" or "ten beliefs" or "ten notions" or "ten claims" or "ten speculations"

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Old 03-09-2022, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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yes. i agree.

they are your "ten opinions" or "ten ideas" or "ten subjective views" or "ten thoughts" or "ten beliefs" or "ten notions" or "ten speculations"
I would say ten principles he believes in that are worth fair consideration by others.
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Old 01-21-2023, 10:21 AM
 
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In another thread about the same topic, a comment was posted that went something like this...

"Which is why we need to use rational tools designed to avoid these prejudices and moods and emotionally skewed opinions, so that we do not have false beliefs. Yet you want us to just accept your opinions and assertions that rely on just knowing."

Seems to me this comment is at least in large part a sentiment similar to what had me start this thread.

I also thought to redirect further comment about this sort of thing back to this thread, because I've never really well understood why this thread was hijacked and taken elsewhere. Why would someone do that rather than just comment in the thread their comment(s) are all about? Who does that sort of thing and why?

Does my tenth truth provide at least part of the answer?
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