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Well spotted. But as Mensa says above and Fish (who is probably muttering damn, damn, damn, right now)
Correct. My language was sloppy. We could focus on that if you wish, but that does not actually advance the discussion. It would merely be a distraction from whether or not religion was the equivalent of music. Tzap may prefer the digression, but I point out that it is merely a way for her to avoid actually discussing a topic.
Perhaps that was just an abbreviated way for fishbrains to state an opinion. Atheists often say "There is no God," but if asked for details will respond "Although I can't be certain, I am withholding belief until some credible evidence is presented" (or words to that effect).
It's more like "given the preponderance of evidence, beyond a reasonable doubt, there is no god."
Or please provide some evidence that we can all accept as universally verifiable and true.
It's more like "given the preponderance of evidence, beyond a reasonable doubt, there is no god."
Or please provide some evidence that we can all accept as universally verifiable and true.
it is not about evidence for others. it is about evidence of validity for a person in their own life.
example, the tarot readings phet has shared recently here on CD. valid for him? verifiable and true for him? perhaps yes. verifiable evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to others? nope.
"conclusive evidence" varies from person to person.
personal criteria. subjective. again.
it is not about evidence for others. it is about evidence of validity for a person in their own life.
example, your tarot reading phet. valid for you? conclusive evidence for you? perhaps yes. conclusive evidence to others? nope.
I'm undecided about tarot reading. Right now I'm just finding it fun. And, if you actually read my posts about it (and psychics) you'll find that what I said was that the tarot readings and psychics sometimes helped me look at things from a different perspective. Not they predicted anything.
So no, to respond directly, I never said tarot had any sort of conclusive evidence for anyone, including myself.
it is not about evidence for others. it is about evidence of validity for a person in their own life.
example, the tarot readings phet has shared recently here on CD. valid for him? verifiable and true for him? perhaps yes. verifiable evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to others? nope.
I'm undecided about tarot reading. Right now I'm just finding it fun. And, if you actually read my posts about it (and psychics) you'll find that what I said was that the tarot readings and psychics sometimes helped me look at things from a different perspective. Not they predicted anything.
So no, to respond directly, I never said tarot had any sort of conclusive evidence for anyone, including myself.
in your posts you stated you believe there are authentic psychics. and the information they provided for you was accurate (something about a chef in a certain type of job). that's what i mean by valid evidence for you, which others claimed was not conclusive or convincing to them.
Correct. My language was sloppy. We could focus on that if you wish, but that does not actually advance the discussion. It would merely be a distraction from whether or not religion was the equivalent of music. Tzap may prefer the digression, but I point out that it is merely a way for her to avoid actually discussing a topic.
Possibly. I agree the whole 'Atheist say there is no God' is our own fault. We Ought to hedge it around with caveats
"...so far as evidence and reason gives us to suppose; of course we can't be sure though we are prtty confident that Biblegod cannot exist - at least as depicted in the bible, ...what they heck was i going to argue..?"
It's just too much to say every time and wouldn't be needed were it not for Theist apologists looking for any point where they can trip us up. because they don't get many of them.
I think what you're missing -- overall, not just in this thread -- is that most atheists are not saying definitively that there is no god. And even when it sounds like that's what they're saying, if you question them a bit it turns out what most are saying is something along the lines of:
There is no conclusive evidence that there is a god.
If there is a god, there is no conclusive evidence that it is the god of the bible.
The god-believers probably use the same kind of logic the ancient Greeks and Romans used for their gods.
So (a) you consider all "god believers" probably all think the same; and
(b) you deign to speak for all of them
Here, I'll quote you,
"Why don't you let those who are _____ (God believers in this case) speak for ourselves. We really don't need or want you as our spokesperson."
Except you also claim others outside the group are more objective and can see the bigger picture.
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Originally Posted by phetaroi
I don't think it's a question of being qualified. It's about being able to stand back and look at the bigger picture and more objectively.
my observation is you dont want people speaking for you, but you have no problem speaking for others.
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Possibly. I agree the whole 'Atheist say there is no God' is our own fault. We Ought to hedge it around with caveats
"...so far as evidence and reason gives us to suppose; of course we can't be sure though we are prtty confident that Biblegod cannot exist - at least as depicted in the bible, ...what they heck was i going to argue..?"
It's just too much to say every time and wouldn't be needed were it not for Theist apologists looking for any point where they can trip us up. because they don't get many of them.
How about "atheists infer there is no god" since an inference requires a source to support it?
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