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Old 11-16-2020, 01:42 PM
 
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Materialism.
The premise that you can describe, in terms of physics, the whole function of a human being… including knowledge and consciousness... is unreasonable. Knowledge and consciousness cannot be accounted for in physical terms.
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Old 11-16-2020, 01:54 PM
 
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No.
Thanks. If you don’t believe in a creator god, how do you explain the origin of the universe? Do you believe the entire universe (time, space and matter) originated from nothing, by chance?


(BTW, when I use the term ‘worldview’ I’m referring to one’s view of reality, which includes one’s perspective on life’s big questions about origins, meaning, morality, truth, life after death, etc.)
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Old 11-16-2020, 02:05 PM
 
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The premise that you can describe, in terms of physics, the whole function of a human being… including knowledge and consciousness... is unreasonable. Knowledge and consciousness cannot be accounted for in physical terms.
I disagree with that. A computer can store information "knowledge". So you base you claim on you don't think so and I base mine on "yeah, but its in a cell phone".

Who's is more reliable?
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Old 11-16-2020, 02:29 PM
 
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Not so hard to imagine if you think about it...

What might we use to make such a determination about ghosts despite what testimony many people have given about their encounters with ghosts? Same sort of thing.
That was my point, LearnMe. As long as your experiences and perspective are tied only to the validated physical Reality (the 5% or so of our Reality), you will develop and function extremely well as a physical being but your spiritual development will suffer. Whatever exists in 95% of our Reality remains outside your reach. Those who do experience the non-physical aspects of our Reality tend to operate on more information than you do and their spiritual development can be enhanced.
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Old 11-16-2020, 02:30 PM
 
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I disagree with that. A computer can store information "knowledge". So you base you claim on you don't think so and I base mine on "yeah, but its in a cell phone".

Who's is more reliable?
In your comment, above, you ignore that I was referring to “the whole function of a human being” (not computers) and you don’t even address the topic of consciousness. How convenient.

You often point out when TRANS runs from difficult questions, but you do the same thing. You run away from the fundamental question of origins because it challenges your ‘standard model’. How convenient.
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Old 11-16-2020, 02:34 PM
 
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In your comment, above, you ignore that I was referring to “the whole function of a human being” (not computers) and you don’t even address the topic of consciousness. How convenient.

You often point out when TRANS runs from difficult questions, but you do the same thing. You run away from the fundamental question of origins because it challenges your ‘standard model’. How convenient.
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Old 11-16-2020, 03:23 PM
 
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Name one non-theistic worldview that you think is more credible than Christianity and I’ll show you why it’s not.
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Materialism.
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The premise that you can describe, in terms of physics, the whole function of a human being… including knowledge and consciousness... is unreasonable. Knowledge and consciousness cannot be accounted for in physical terms.
I hardly think your response meets the standard of showing that materialism is less credible than Christianity. You are off-handedly dismissing materialism as being inadequate with no evidence, and at the same time you are not providing any evidence that Christianity does address any of these issues.

Your response fails to deliver as promised.
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Old 11-16-2020, 03:34 PM
 
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I disagree with that. A computer can store information "knowledge". So you base you claim on you don't think so and I base mine on "yeah, but its in a cell phone".

Who's is more reliable?
Conflating knowledge and information with raw data just confuses the issue and obscures the point IWMN is trying to make, Arach. Knowledge and information ONLY exist in consciousness. The raw data can be arranged and stored in physical machines or manifestations but the actual knowledge and information, per se, require consciousness.
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Old 11-16-2020, 04:00 PM
 
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In your comment, above, you ignore that I was referring to “the whole function of a human being” (not computers) and you don’t even address the topic of consciousness. How convenient.

You often point out when TRANS runs from difficult questions, but you do the same thing. You run away from the fundamental question of origins because it challenges your ‘standard model’. How convenient.
Now, I know you got the memo. Arach and I now share a bed -sit. I never ran from 'difficult questions' ('we don't know' is the honest answer - not an evasion. 'Goddunnit' is not an answer but a faith -claim) and Arach doesn't run from difficult questions, either; he answers up like a good -un, though what he says isn't always clear.

So don't you go smearing my mate Arach.

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Old 11-16-2020, 04:07 PM
 
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So what?
Indeed. There are more conversion vids out there (mainly from the two evangelical creeds, battling for world domination) than you can shake a stick at. Buddhism has better things to do than spend money on advertising.
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