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We all come from the same cell - divided in two..The old Christian term "Son of Man" is very true - Jesus just like all of us was the son of every human being that ever existed....just do a little graph................There is you...who had two parents...those two parents had four parents - the four ancestors had 8...the 8 had 16 parents ----they had 32 parents...so far only after a few short generations - YOU are the combination of 32 people..
Then you have 64 people that contain YOUR genetics....then 128...then you are up to 256 people...then you pass the 300 mark....
Now if you go back generationally a few thousand years - you are up in the millions...Genetically - you contain the biological history of million and millions of people...reverse the whole thing - and a few billion people would filter down to YOU...of course there must have been the original two..be it two human beings planted by God - or a singular cell that devided into 2...it does not matter which...It all started somewhere...with ONE......................then as it states "It is not good for a man to be alone" - so God or IT - took a few cells from a "rib" and cloned a female - Prior to that ADAM was not male or female...Why would he need male genitals if there originally was no woman....so it looks as if we all started off sexless....One can not call Adam the first man - but the first human creature...he was not male nor female.
I have to admit that stats is not my thing but I'm sure there is an element of stop and begin again with another line of forebears missing from that rather too simple scenario.
The evidence seems to indicate that we can trace our line back , not just in numerical theory, but in evidence and back through the Adam - consciousness theory placed rather randomly at the end of the Palaeolithic back to Mitochondrial Eve to whichever date is moved Eden on its chonological goalpost -rollers.
But evidence takes it further back than that and I won't infuriate Genesis - fanciers by mentioning 'Lucy' but when we get to the ancestors of Jesus living in a burrow to avoid carnivorous dinosaurs, the whole argument about whether Adam had a dick or not seems a bit otiose.
Mankind may be millions of years old and are exactly as they are now..This buisness about us being crude dump ape like creatures living in holes - is simply theory. If there are "lucy" types - and so-called cave men with thick brows - they might have been the UGLY families in the neighbourhood - and Yes cave men still exist - we see them everyday.
Mankind may be millions of years old and are exactly as they are now..This buisness about us being crude dump ape like creatures living in holes - is simply theory. If there are "lucy" types - and so-called cave men with thick brows - they might have been the UGLY families in the neighbourhood - and Yes cave men still exist - we see them everyday.
Theory supported by evidence. Eden/Adam scenarios are theory supported by nothing but myth and bolstered with a sneering remarks about primate and cretaceous mammalian appearance and intelligence. Like Darwin's Bulldog said, I'd rather be descended from an ape anytime.
Yes, new discoveries show that we carry traces of Adam and Eve in our cells. Furthermore, our common “parents†are probably removed from us by only 200–300 generations. All humans have a common and recent bond—a family bond. We are all cousins.
Despite the impressive volume of verbiage in that post, you have come to a conclusion that's something like saying 1 + 1 = 3. Those new discoveries may point to a common ancestor, but do absolutely nothing to "prove" Adam & Eve's existence. We still don't know who that common ancestor was.
I don't mean to sound belittling but anyone with a general understanding of DNA would know that we would be too closely linked to have any formidable evidence in a courtroom as far as DNA is concerned if the OP was true.
Remember that we are linked together by mtDNA, not by our nDNA(nuclear DNA). Eve passed the mtDNA to Noah's family, who passed it down to us with limited mutations. As for nDNA, some DNA drom the nucleus is placed into sperm and egg cells during meiosis. During meiosis, the chromosomes act out the process of crossing over, adding diversity to our nDNA. Differences also occur through random mutations during DNA replication. Gene shuffling and DNA recombination also add variety to our DNA
Remember that we are linked together by mtDNA, not by our nDNA(nuclear DNA). Eve passed the mtDNA to Noah's family, who passed it down to us with limited mutations. As for nDNA, some DNA drom the nucleus is placed into sperm and egg cells during meiosis. During meiosis, the chromosomes act out the process of crossing over, adding diversity to our nDNA. Differences also occur through random mutations during DNA replication. Gene shuffling and DNA recombination also add variety to our DNA
Sorry wrong. This is what inbreeding causes. This proves not only evolution but also disputes the concept of one pair or three pairs (re)populating the human genome.
These are the Vadoma people of the Zambezi.
My personal hypothesis is that there were multiple instances of abiogenesis developing into advanced lifeforms and arriving at a similar outcome we now know as the homo sapiens critters we are.
Whatever external influences affected evolution were global and resulted in similar end products we define as races.
Any hypothesis like the primordial eve in the Out of Africa model suffers the same genetic problems as the Genesis account.
There is a reason why they discourage marrying even your first cousin. Seems that theory holds true in closed communities like the Amish where the gene pool is limited. Look up their infant mortality rates.
Evolution is not linear as the 50's models depict. Those are illustrative and not meant to be taken literally.
Much of the Hebrew texts are plagiarised from other cultures, there was no Adam and Eve and the was no Noah. All myths buddy.
Virtually all cells of every living thing (plants, animals, and humans) contain tiny strands of coded information called DNA. DNA directs the cell, telling it what to produce and when. Therefore, much of your appearance and personality is determined by DNA you inherited from your parents.
In human cells, the nucleus contains 99.5% of the DNA. Half of it came from the individual’s mother and half from the father. Because both halves are shuffled together, it is difficult to identify which parent contributed any tiny segment. In other words, half of this DNA changes with each generation. However, outside the nucleus of each cell are thousands of little energy-producing components called mitochondria, each containing a circular strand of DNA. Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) comes only from the mother. Where did she get hers? From her mother—and so on. Normally, mtDNA does not change from generation to generation.
In 1987, a team at the University of California at Berkeley published a study comparing the mtDNA of 147 people from five of the world’s geographic locations.2 They concluded that all 147 had the same female ancestor. She is now called “the mitochondrial Eve.”
From a biblical perspective, do we know where Eve lived? Because the flood was so destructive, no one knows where the Garden of Eden was.4 However, Noah’s three daughters-in-law, who lived only a dozen or so generations after Eve, began raising their families near Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey—very near the common boundary of Asia, Africa, and Europe. (Each of us can claim one of Noah’s daughters-in-law as our ever-so-great grandmother.) So it is not surprising that Asia, Africa, and Europe are candidate homes for mitochondrial Eve.
Likewise, when similar words, sounds, and grammar of the world’s most widely spoken languages are traced back in time, they also seem to originate near Ararat.5 Another convergence near eastern Turkey is found when one traces agriculture back in time.6
When did mitochondrial Eve live? To answer this, one must know how frequently mutations occur in mtDNA. Initial estimates were based on the following faulty reasoning: “Humans and chimpanzees had a common ancestor about 5 million years ago. Because the mtDNA in humans and chimpanzees differ in 1,000 places, one mutation occurs about every 10,000 years.” Another erroneous approach began by assuming that Australia was first populated 40,000 years ago. The average number of mitochondrial mutations among Australian aborigines divided by 40,000 years provided another extremely slow mutation rate for mtDNA. These estimated rates, based on evolution, led to the mistaken belief that mitochondrial Eve lived 100,000–200,000 years ago.8 This surprised evolutionists who believe that our common ancestor was an apelike creature that lived 31/2 million years ago.9
A greater surprise, even disbelief, occurred in 1997, when it was announced that mutations in mtDNA occur 20 times more rapidly than had been estimated. Without assuming that humans and chimpanzees had a common ancestor 5 million years ago or that Australia was populated 40,000 years ago, mutation rates can now be determined directly by comparing the mtDNA of many mother-child pairs. Using the new, more accurate rate, mitochondrial Eve lived only about 6,500 years ago.10
Is there a “genetic Adam”? A man receives from his father a segment of DNA which lies on the Y chromosome; this makes him a male. Where did your father receive his segment? From his father. If we all descended from one man, all males should have the same Y chromosome segment—except for rare mutations.
A 1995 study of a worldwide sample of 38 men showed no changes in this segment of the Y chromosome that is always inherited from fathers. Had humans evolved and all men descended from one male who lived 500,000 years ago, each should carry about 19 mutations. Had he lived 150,000 years ago, 5.5 mutations would be expected.11 Because no changes were found, our common father probably lived only thousands of years ago. While Adam was father of all, our most recent common male ancestor was Noah.
Yes, new discoveries show that we carry traces of Adam and Eve in our cells. Furthermore, our common “parents” are probably removed from us by only 200–300 generations. All humans have a common and recent bond—a family bond. We are all cousins.
This "mess" is what happens when you mix science and religion. You were doing fine up until "From a Biblical Perspective...", at which time the wheels flew off of the wagon.
A whole lot of legitimate science can be completely tainted by the insertion of even just a little bit of religion, so I recommend the twain never cross.
You were doing so well until you jumped the shark...
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However, Noah’s three daughters-in-law, who lived only a dozen or so generations after Eve, began raising their families near Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey
I'm dying to here your explanation for the existence of Mitochondrial Eve 120,000 years years before leaving the African continent, and by the way, where do Neanderthals fit into your biblical picture? Sort of Eve? Eve's distant cousin?
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Likewise, when similar words, sounds, and grammar of the world’s most widely spoken languages are traced back in time, they also seem to originate near Ararat.5 Another convergence near eastern Turkey is found when one traces agriculture back in time.6
Ooops, once again what is believed to be the oldest language family is traced to Southern Africa perhaps as far back as 50,000 years whereas the Indo-European languages date back just 9,000.
Because the mtDNA in humans and chimpanzees differ in 1,000 places, one mutation occurs about every 10,000 years.”
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A greater surprise, even disbelief, occurred in 1997, when it was announced that mutations in mtDNA occur 20 times more rapidly than had been estimated.
Besides the fact that 1997 is ancient history for DNA studies, I find it interesting that you don't cite the study which I found plastered over all sorts of creationist forums but not a single quotation of summary of the study confirming or denying the age of modern humans.
"Variations on a Theme: Cataloging Human DNA Sequence Variation
Francis S. Collins, Mark S. Guyer and Aravinda Chakravarti"
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Yes, new discoveries show that we carry traces of Adam and Eve in our cells. Furthermore, our common “parents” are probably removed from us by only 200–300 generations. All humans have a common and recent bond—a family bond. We are all cousins.
Yes we have a common bond, but even genetic Eve wasn't the first human female just one of a group of perhaps 10,000, fortunately for us she was the only one to have a extant line of daughters.
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