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I've come across similar crap before, but I can't even begin to imagine it working on anybody... Any male affirmation?
'Negs'
Media attention directed towards the Mystery Method often mentions the concept of 'negs' as an example of what the method teaches. The oft-quoted example is the comment:
"Nice nails, are they real? No? Oh, well they're nice anyway."
Negs are intended to be false disqualifiers and are intended to lower the target's comparative value to the seducer. Specifically, they are not insults; instead, they resemble the comments of a person who does not view the target as being sexually interesting.
In his television interview with The View, Neil Strauss explains that some men will demonstrate lack of interest by passively ignoring a woman; but since she does not notice him, she will not know that he is not interested. Therefore the purpose of the neg is to actively demonstrate lack of interest by disqualifying one's self as a suitor ("It's too bad I'm gay or you'd be so my type"), or by falsely disqualifying the target ("You are too much of a nice girl for me").
According to the method, a proper neg never makes the target feel insulted or degraded, but rather questions whether the man approaching her has fallen under her spell. Women of particular beauty often tend to assume males approaching them are interested in them solely as a result of their looks, and negs attempt to neutralize that assumption by demonstrating that the man is not (yet) interested in her, despite her beauty. A successful neg may cause the target to feel self-conscious and attempt to regain control of the situation by qualifying herself.
Another often overlooked aspect of negs is the fact that they can be nonverbal. A neg may consist of a roll off (using disinterested or distracted body language), wandering off, initiating conversation with a new third party, checking one's cell phone, or looking around the room as if looking for someone better to talk to.
Disqualification theory
Disqualification Theory is an expansion of the neg. It is a social tactic based on the idea that what a woman can't have, she wants more. It is a large part of indirect game as it can disarm a woman by keeping her from thinking that the man is hitting on her. It can correlate to preselection theory as well; if a man is taken, he is like a forbidden fruit to other women.
A disqualifier is the direct application of the disqualification theory. Examples of disqualifiers:
"If I weren't gay, you'd so be mine."
"I've got something to tell you...there's something in your teeth."
Well in a sense I use this already. I'm shocked at how many girls respond to.."you know I'm no good for you?"
My father is aparently a master at this! He treats women like crap and they seemingly love it. I think women respond to him kinda seeing him as a wounded dog that just needs some consoling. Bad news ladies, he's been an angry wounded dog for 45 years that I know of.
A high school friend of mine (now a mere acquaintance) does something very similar to negs. Except, rather than not insulting the girl, he does the exact opposite and offends her. So much to the point that none of my friends hang out with him when there are girls with us. Which is one of the reasons why I don't see him very much...
Well in a sense I use this already. I'm shocked at how many girls respond to.."you know I'm no good for you?"
My father is aparently a master at this! He treats women like crap and they seemingly love it. I think women respond to him kinda seeing him as a wounded dog that just needs some consoling. Bad news ladies, he's been an angry wounded dog for 45 years that I know of.
I always assumed you were a woman, I don't know why.
Could be because I AM... Just a thought.
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Originally Posted by optiflex
I get how the author, creator is going to get laid! 290.00 A POP, HE'LL BE ABLE TO AFFORD THAT CAR, THOSE CLOTHES!
No kiddin'...
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Originally Posted by optiflex
Well in a sense I use this already. I'm shocked at how many girls respond to.."you know I'm no good for you?"
My father is aparently a master at this! He treats women like crap and they seemingly love it. I think women respond to him kinda seeing him as a wounded dog that just needs some consoling. Bad news ladies, he's been an angry wounded dog for 45 years that I know of.
This is not the same. And yes, it does work, but only when accompanied by certain looks and personality.
I have limited experience using them, I found that they worked but at the same time it made the whole process less enjoyable for myself. I didn't read either of these books, but one in the same genre with much of the same ideas.
I had to separate the wheat from the chaff, anything that was forcing myself into a foreign personality I threw out but a lot of stuff could be applied without changing who I am. I like what sifu said about not all women being the same, I think this book will help you target a certain type of woman but if you want a good relationship (not just a fling) then these methods are like shooting yourself in the foot. On the positive, these books explain how women perceive us in a language that I could understand, and they offer a better way to react to some negative situations. On the negative, the books will teach you how to exploit a woman's insecurities and even her mistrust of men, in order to manipulate her, but then you end up with an insecure woman who doesn't trust men.
If your a guy who has success in life except when it comes to women, this book will help. Don't ask women for advice on women, ask men who are good with women. But if you adopt everything in this book as if it's a bible, you're only cheating yourself by not staying true to your own ideals.
Last edited by Jefetio; 07-19-2008 at 01:55 PM..
Reason: add a summation
This is not the same. And yes, it does work, but only when accompanied by certain looks and personality.
One of the best relationships I've ever had, at least she treated me better than a woman ever has, was one where I was set from the beginning to be an absolute self-serving jerk. Man, she treated me good. But eventually she wised up and dumped my A and it felt even worse knowing that she dumped me for treating her bad. So I don't think that method is for me. Now I'm dead set on finding a woman who will treat me good without me having to resort to manipulation and A-holeness. Wish me luck.
I'm interested in what the men who have read this think about this and what kind of response you get from women when you use this.
Lame.
Yet another passive aggressive thing to cause a division between the sexes.
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