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Old 04-13-2013, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Being unborn is the best state you find yourself at.
No.
It may be the best state you find yourself at, but please don't assume that my disdain for living matches yours.
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Old 04-13-2013, 02:01 PM
 
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Not while my mother and brother are still alive. It's okay.
Well, that's considerate at least. A mood alerter might be something worth investigating.
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No you didn't.
You stated that breaking up can cause stress, but that's different that stating what stress has to do with breaking up.

In fact, stress can cause people to break up. Since stress is bad for a an unborn child (and born children) sometimes breaking up can be good, correct?

Thus, you shouldn't feel bad for a an unborn child whose parents break up because that might actually be better for the child.

Do you believe that all relationships are 'good ones'?
If not, isn't it sometimes better for a couple to break up?
It really depends. Violent relationships are certainly not good for the mother and fetus. Then the stress of a breakup could lead to significant grief and hard grief is correlated with increased risk of schizophrenia for the child. It really depends on the situation.
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Old 04-13-2013, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Up above the world so high!
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...the stress of a breakup could lead to significant grief and hard grief is correlated with increased risk of schizophrenia for the child. It really depends on the situation.
Thank you. See, that's the point I was trying to make.

Depending on WHEN in the pregnancy the breakup and stress occurs, this can have lifelong ramifications for the baby - like those increased risks of schizophrenia, among other things
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Old 04-13-2013, 02:05 PM
 
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Being unborn is the best state you find yourself at. My parents recently divorced but they stayed together in a war zone for more than 30 years. You bet nobody will catch me in a marriage. I'd rather hang myself.
Welp, I'm not going to attempt to change your mind. I think I remember one of your posts now. As an outsider to marriage (I'm not married), sometimes I can look in and wonder why they stayed or why they continued to have kids but my guess is that marriage is usually a security blanket and it just gets really comfortable. Not to mention sometimes things start off as bliss when you meet and as time goes on people change...or you just got addicted/attached to that person because they're so familiar. I have really mixed feelings on the matter, but I feel like the two need to be grown ups on the matter and to realize they're not just dealing with themselves anymore, they have another being in their care.

Life can be tough, JayN.
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Old 04-13-2013, 02:06 PM
 
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Thank you. See, that's the point I was trying to make.

Depending on WHEN in the pregnancy the breakup and stress occurs, this can have lifelong ramifications for the baby - like those increased risks of schizophrenia, among other things
You're still not acknowledging that breaking up could actually reduce stress.
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Old 04-13-2013, 02:08 PM
 
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Thank you. See, that's the point I was trying to make.

Depending on WHEN in the pregnancy the breakup and stress occurs, this can have lifelong ramifications for the baby - like those increased risks of schizophrenia, among other things
I learned about it due to my pregnancy. My husband has been worried because I have a high stress job, but after investigating I learned that it's not any stress that lends to serious problems, but things like grief stress, war, rape, that kind of thing. So, a husband who cheats on a pregnant wife, or leaves her, could fall into that category and he would really be harming his baby.
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Old 04-13-2013, 02:10 PM
 
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This is what abortion is for.

Sounds cold and harsh, and I'm sure some folks who are anti-choice will disagree with me, but most pregnancies that occur out of wedlock are unintended and should be treated as such.

That's how I would handle it, at least. What other people do is their business, but I can't help but feel bad for any kid born into that situation. I tend to think it irresponsible of women to continue pregnancies in those circumstances, as well, but again, that is my opinion. I'm not going to hate or castigate a woman who chooses differently.
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Old 04-13-2013, 02:10 PM
 
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Welp, I'm not going to attempt to change your mind. I think I remember one of your posts now. As an outsider to marriage (I'm not married), sometimes I can look in and wonder why they stayed or why they continued to have kids but my guess is that marriage is usually a security blanket and it just gets really comfortable. Not to mention sometimes things start off as bliss when you meet and as time goes on people change...or you just got addicted/attached to that person because they're so familiar. I have really mixed feelings on the matter, but I feel like the two need to be grown ups on the matter and to realize they're not just dealing with themselves anymore, they have another being in their care.

Life can be tough, JayN.
It was never a bliss in their case. It was always hell from the start but my mother was still very naive at the time and believed she could change him (how typical). They only slept together the amount of times necessary for her to get pregnant with my brother and I. Too bad IVF wasn't as widespread as it is today, she wouldn't have had to sleep with with him.
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Old 04-13-2013, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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So, a husband who cheats on a pregnant wife, or leaves her, could fall into that category and he would really be harming his baby.
How about a wife cheats on her husband and fears that he may find out and leave her?
Would that type of stress be harmful to his baby?
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Old 04-13-2013, 02:13 PM
 
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How about a wife cheats on her husband and fears that he may find out and leave her?
Would that type of stress be harmful to his baby?
I doubt that would turn into grief stress.
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