Redrawing Oregon Border (Jefferson: tax, live, price)

[Cloudy Dayz]

Originally Posted by Jimrob1

Personally I think the USA as a whole could use with a good redrawing of its borders. Some of the states can redraw their borders and leave the country for all I care. Be it the Northwest or elsewhere in the USA. The divides in this country are so strong, we have no right to call ourselves United anymore. It's similar to being in a bad marriage just hanging in there for whatever reason, even though breaking apart is really the right thing to do.

As far as Oregon redrawing its borders hasn't that been building for years? Western and Eastern Oregon are so different its no wonder a separation is wanted. Though its primarily the Eastern end of the state that wants the divorce. My view is if the majority of voters that live in these regions want to separate then so be it. Although as other posters have stated it will never happen because Oregon is not going to give up part of the state.

Since at least 1941, but they never give up.

Jefferson (proposed Pacific state) - Wikipedia

[texasdiver]

There is not a single state in the country that doesn't have an urban and rural divide. Not one. Well, maybe some of the tiny states like CT that are essentially just big suburbs. And maybe not Wyoming which has no real cities. But no state with larger area and cities.

Idaho has the same arguments between Boise and the rest of the state. And if Boise was as large as Portland then Idaho's politics would look more like Oregon.

What ultimately determines the politics of a state is the urban rural mix. Compare MN and WI which are two similar bordering states. The biggest difference is that in MN the Minneapolis metro area is about 2x larger than the Milwaukie metro area in WI so MN Is more urban and WI is more rural. Consequently one is a blue state and the other is red.

[AnythingOutdoors]

Originally Posted by texasdiver

There is not a single state in the country that doesn't have an urban and rural divide. Not one. Well, maybe some of the tiny states like CT that are essentially just big suburbs. And maybe not Wyoming which has no real cities. But not state with larger area and cities.

Idaho has the same arguments between Boise and the rest of the state. And if Boise was as large as Portland then Idaho's politics would look more like Oregon.

What ultimately determines the politics of a state is the urban rural mix. Compare MN and WI which are two similar bordering states. The biggest difference is that in MN the Minneapolis metro area is about 2x larger than the Milwaukie metro area in WI so MN Is more urban and WI is more rural. Consequently one is a blue state and the other is red.

Yep, and Idaho isn't as rural as many imagine. Over 70% of the state's population lives in a city and cities are growing faster than rural areas. In 2020 most of the people moving to Idaho's largest city, Boise, came from elsewhere in Idaho.

About 62% of land in Idaho is publicly owned, so a lot of the wide open areas are off limits to development and I like it that way. We are a state of people that mostly live in cities who travel to wilderness for enjoyment.

[texasdiver]

Originally Posted by AnythingOutdoors

Yep, and Idaho isn't as rural as many imagine. Over 70% of the state's population lives in a city and cities are growing faster than rural areas. In 2020 most of the people moving to Idaho's largest city, Boise, came from elsewhere in Idaho.

About 62% of land in Idaho is publicly owned, so a lot of the wide open areas are off limits to development and I like it that way. We are a state of people that mostly live in cities who travel to wilderness for enjoyment.

And Boise itself voted for Biden in the 2020 election. Trump won Ada county narrowly by 4 points but that includes all the outer suburbs of of the greater Boise area like Meridian, Eagle, and Kuna. If Boise keeps growing it will become a blue zone like every other city from Portland to Austin.

[redguard57]

Originally Posted by texasdiver

There is not a single state in the country that doesn't have an urban and rural divide. Not one. Well, maybe some of the tiny states like CT that are essentially just big suburbs. And maybe not Wyoming which has no real cities. But no state with larger area and cities.

Idaho has the same arguments between Boise and the rest of the state. And if Boise was as large as Portland then Idaho's politics would look more like Oregon.

What ultimately determines the politics of a state is the urban rural mix. Compare MN and WI which are two similar bordering states. The biggest difference is that in MN the Minneapolis metro area is about 2x larger than the Milwaukie metro area in WI so MN Is more urban and WI is more rural. Consequently one is a blue state and the other is red.

Well, there's Vermont. In New England the rural areas can be pretty liberal. And maybe Hawaii.

But yeah, most every state is split that way, urban v rural, with the suburbs in between. The lean of the suburbs determines who wins the state.

[Syringaloid]

Originally Posted by texasdiver

And Boise itself voted for Biden in the 2020 election. Trump won Ada county narrowly by 4 points but that includes all the outer suburbs of of the greater Boise area like Meridian, Eagle, and Kuna. If Boise keeps growing it will become a blue zone like every other city from Portland to Austin.

Boise also voted for Clinton in the 2016 Pres election. 14 out of 15 legislative seats in Boise proper are Democratic and the city council is made of Dems except for one member repping the far flung area of the city bordering Meridian. Meridian is turning a shade of Purple, so it's not as red as it used to be.

Mormon Representative Barbara Ehardt, from Idaho Falls is the main force behind this. She admitted this week in the statehouse that one of her biggest reasons for this proposal is to push legal marijuana and legal abortion hundreds of miles away from the Boise Metro area, instead of the current 50 mile, 45 minute drive from downtown Boise. Dispensaries in Ontario thrive because of the adjacent Boise Metro and she wants to control this via her moral code.

She is delusional and this will never happen. I don't think Joseph Smith or Brigham Young appeared to her in a vision and commanded her to do this.

[texasdiver]

Originally Posted by Syringaloid

Boise also voted for Clinton in the 2016 Pres election. 14 out of 15 legislative seats in Boise proper are Democratic and the city council is made of Dems except for one member repping the far flung area of the city bordering Meridian. Meridian is turning a shade of Purple, so it's not as red as it used to be.

Mormon Representative Barbara Ehardt, from Idaho Falls is the main force behind this. She admitted this week in the statehouse that one of her biggest reasons for this proposal is to push legal marijuana and legal abortion hundreds of miles away from the Boise Metro area, instead of the current 50 mile, 45 minute drive from downtown Boise. Dispensaries in Ontario thrive because of the adjacent Boise Metro and she wants to control this via her moral code.

She is delusional and this will never happen. I don't think Joseph Smith or Brigham Young appeared to her in a vision and commanded her to do this.

You are saying that a Republican State Representative from Idaho Falls (in the far eastern side of Idaho near the Wyoming border) is behind the Greater Idaho movement in Oregon?

[MtnSurfer]

Originally Posted by texasdiver

You are saying that a Republican State Representative from Idaho Falls (in the far eastern side of Idaho near the Wyoming border) is behind the Greater Idaho movement in Oregon?

This looks ridiculous. Do they really think they will get OR, ID and CA legislatures to ever agree to this AND congress as well? Then, as Idaho becomes more blue starting with its largest city and capitol in Boise, will they apply for a divorce from Boise as well? Will that finally make America great again? Isn't this more about greatening the political divide in America while making a big stink in process? If you're ineffective and apparently unwilling to work with the other side you may as well make lots of noise. This is nothing more than sensationalism along with coddling such groups- a public temper tantrum. Let them have their say which won't amount to anything but some hot air. I think just making a big public display is a secondary goal and perverse victory of sorts with lots of social media attention even when it fails. Two funny and somewhat ironic things is that Boise is right in the middle of all of this while Bend is carefully carved out.







Derek

[StealthRabbit]

They missed the CGNSA

We can't be any part of Metro governance, we can't even have most home businesses! and definately not commercial activies except in cities with allowable zoning, (no signage allowed). Of course most of those things would require internet (we can't have that either). Except in US Government built communities (like North Bonneville!, Built with T1 installed over 30 yrs ago).

Sign us up

But the view is nice, if you can eat that for sustenance.
Quite a bit of drone activity...

[AnythingOutdoors]

Originally Posted by MtnSurfer

This looks ridiculous. Do they really think they will get OR, ID and CA legislatures to ever agree to this AND congress as well? Then, as Idaho becomes more blue starting with its largest city and capitol in Boise, will they apply for a divorce from Boise as well? Will that finally make America great again? Isn't this more about greatening the political divide in America while making a big stink in process? If you're ineffective and apparently unwilling to work with the other side you may as well make lots of noise. This is nothing more than sensationalism along with coddling such groups- a public temper tantrum. Let them have their say which won't amount to anything but some hot air. I think just making a big public display is a secondary goal and perverse victory of sorts with lots of social media attention even when it fails. Two funny and somewhat ironic things is that Boise is right in the middle of all of this while Bend is carefully carved out.







Derek

Agreed. But it'll never happen. Idaho's House passed a non-binding measure to discuss the proposal:

https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/lo...8-7863088743ac

Moving the boarder to get "drugs away from us" is one of the silliest things I've heard in a long time. And already it's clear that this would not be good for Idaho economically:

House Minority Leader Rep. Ilana Rubel, D-Boise, said many of the counties that would be included in the Greater Idaho proposal are low-income with a high percentage of their residents on Medicaid or qualifying for free and reduced lunches; she said the idea would likely be costly to the state.