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Old 05-13-2010, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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You either haven't read the law or you are just lying.
If you are not a US citizen you must carry a proof
of legal immigration status at all times by the law.
...and even then, the only circumstance where they can ask for an ID, Green Card, passport etc..., is if the police have already stopped you for a violation of the law, e.g. being arrested for assault, robbery, rape, arson, or a traffic violation.
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Old 05-13-2010, 03:04 PM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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Yeah me too. It's A-OK to have diplomatic and financial ties to China, but not for our people to go there because it's "unsafe".

Got it.
The hypocrisy is that AZ does not reflect liberal values but China somehow does (liberals turning a blind eye to human rights violations, etc).
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Old 05-13-2010, 03:05 PM
 
Location: The Heartland
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Yeah me too. It's A-OK to have diplomatic and financial ties to China, but not for our people to go there because it's "unsafe".

Got it.
I will try my best to make it easy to understand what is being proffered here. The assistant superintendent said that is the safety and liberty of the girls that has caused this decision so your beef should be with him not the posters in this thread. The point of this thread is, if that is really his point, then how could he think it was actually safer to send these kids to a foreign Communist country than to one of our United States.

It also speaks to the situation in AZ that if he really does think that is safer to send them to China, then something really does need to be done in AZ.

The rest of your babble is purely off topic and nothing but typed words for your ego.
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Old 05-13-2010, 03:07 PM
 
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The hypocrisy is that AZ does not reflect liberal values but China somehow does (liberals turning a blind eye to human rights violations, etc).
Well, they used the word safety. You may seek to revise that now, but it doesn't change earlier arguments from others.
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Old 05-13-2010, 03:07 PM
 
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Just when I think our society can't get any more idiotic....nothing like people having a hissy about what they THINK just MIGHT happen.

Hey why stop there? From now on I'm never drinking Arizona Iced Tea! I hate the Cardinals! I, uh, want to smash a cactus!! Because AZ just made passed a law to.....gasp.....CHECK IDs (cue dramatic music)

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Old 05-13-2010, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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No, I am very clear on this.

If it's bad for kids to go to China to play sports, why is it OK to do business with them?

Man, you "conservatives" are hard to keep up with. I remember when y'all were bawling about the grain embargos against the Soviet Union. Reagan couldn't wait to start selling that communist den of heathens more grain.

Now, if the girls had played in N. Korea, some of you may have a point, but you can't have it both ways with China.
You miss the point, the point is not to discuss why all of our presidents seem to want to trade with China. The point is how are China's values not in conflict with Ms. Hebso's values, but the state of Arizona's are?
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Old 05-13-2010, 03:14 PM
 
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I will try my best to make it easy to understand what is being proffered here. The assistant superintendent said that is the safety and liberty of the girls that has caused this decision so your beef should be with him not the posters in this thread. The point of this thread is, if that is really his point, then how could he think it was actually safer to send these kids to a foreign Communist country than to one of our United States.

It also speaks to the situation in AZ that if he really does think that is safer to send them to China, then something really does need to be done in AZ.

The rest of your babble is purely off topic and nothing but typed words for your ego.
Maybe you should read what I have written before you reply to me.

I am saying the school officials are guilty of hyperbolic nonsense too. That doesn't mean that people on this forum who employ the same fallacious reasoning about the safety of American travelers in China will escape my pointing out that they are applying the same faulty reasoning.

But I can see that some are already trying to shift away from the safety thing, and we are now moving into human-rights violations territory, which has zilch to do with the safety of travel for Americans within Chinese borders. Just more extraneous, hyperbolic, appeals-to-emotion.
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Old 05-13-2010, 03:16 PM
 
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You miss the point, the point is not to discuss why all of our presidents seem to want to trade with China. The point is how are China's values not in conflict with Ms. Hebso's values, but the state of Arizona's are?
Have you read any of my past 4 or 5 posts? or are you just assuming my stance on this issue? My money is on the latter.

As predicted - you (plural) are now trying to move the argument out away from just the safety issue, and I have already addressed that I condemn China's internal politics. That's neither here nor there though, when we are examining the safety of our citizens while in China. How any Americans are having their human rights violated over there?
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Old 05-13-2010, 03:22 PM
 
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...and even then, the only circumstance where they can ask for an ID, Green Card, passport etc..., is if the police have already stopped you for a violation of the law, e.g. being arrested for assault, robbery, rape, arson, or a traffic violation.
That's exactly right.
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Old 05-13-2010, 03:24 PM
 
Location: The Heartland
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Just when I think our society can't get any more idiotic....nothing like people having a hissy about what they THINK just MIGHT happen.

Hey why stop there? From now on I'm never drinking Arizona Iced Tea! I hate the Cardinals! I, uh, want to smash a cactus!! Because AZ just made passed a law to.....gasp.....CHECK IDs (cue dramatic music)

Good post but, it is obvious that those who oppose the law do not understand the law, and if they refuse to educate themselves to the law, it is due to nothing but their belief that there is something political to be gained here. Look at Obama's statement that if you take your child to get ice cream you will be asked for proper ID which is nonsense. I have never been pulled over for whatever reason without being asked for my ID, why should illegal aliens be any different?

Most of the non Latinos that oppose the law do not really give a rats behind about the people that this law effects, (illegal immigrants and legal AZ residents) they merely see through rose colored glasses a way to garner more all mighty votes.
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