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Old 02-21-2010, 06:29 AM
 
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This is a very well written piece about the prospects for jobs over the long term.

The New Poor - Despite Signs of Recovery, Long-Term Unemployment Rises - Series - NYTimes.com

The current proposals regarding the "Jobs Bill" are really short term, non employment related items like extending unemployment benefits. When faced with the scenario painted in the New York Times article, let's hear some discussion over what can be done long term to improve the jobs outlook.
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Old 02-21-2010, 07:16 AM
 
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This is a very well written piece about the prospects for jobs over the long term.

The New Poor - Despite Signs of Recovery, Long-Term Unemployment Rises - Series - NYTimes.com

The current proposals regarding the "Jobs Bill" are really short term, non employment related items like extending unemployment benefits. When faced with the scenario painted in the New York Times article, let's hear some discussion over what can be done long term to improve the jobs outlook.

The good news- I don't think these millions will be voting for Barry next election.
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Old 02-21-2010, 07:52 AM
 
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The free-market small government conservatives are the first to complain that big government is not doing enough to create jobs.

Make up your mind.
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Old 02-21-2010, 08:00 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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The free-market small government conservatives are the first to complain that big government is not doing enough to create jobs.

Make up your mind.
And big government is the one claiming to have saved or created all those millions of jobs in spite of the lack of evidence and trying to force more payments from small business (health care mandated enrollment) that these small business cannot afford. Hench they close, costing more jobs.

Who needs to make up their mind?

BTW, making a claim of creating jobs is just more verbal garbage from the ever declining Ibowma.
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Old 02-21-2010, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Chicago Suburbs
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Crazy how people think more government is the answer.
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Old 02-21-2010, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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let's hear some discussion over what can be done long term to improve the jobs outlook.
Nothing short of voting Obama out of office. Business people are afraid of what Obama will do next that might impact them so they are afraid to hire. That the EPA is going to go around Congress means Obama can pull just about anything that will send their businesses spiraling down mired in cost, taxes/fees and paperwork. They will not be adventurous with this President and expand their businesses because they don't know what's coming at them, next. He has demonstrated he's a friend of big business, big government and unions, not small businesses that do most of the hiring in this country.

However, on the plus side, I think the administration has already implored the banks to loosen up credit (the other sticking point for hiring) but I'm not really knowledgeable as to how that has actually played out. Does anyone know?
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Old 02-21-2010, 08:37 AM
 
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The free-market small government conservatives are the first to complain that big government is not doing enough to create jobs.

Make up your mind.
The free-market conservatives aren't complaining that the government isn't doing enough. We're complaining that the government is doing things that are making it worse. They created the problem, and their "fixing" it is making it worse.

You hear what you want to hear, but these stimuli and other ridiculous bills are only going to cause skyrocketing taxes and price hikes on basic goods, cause businesses to hire LESS because it's harder to make a profit, and screw everyone. Yes, even their lapdogs. They'll get screwed too, but they'll just keep placing the blame on everyone but their beloved leader.
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Old 02-21-2010, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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The good news- I don't think these millions will be voting for Barry next election.
I think they know who is and is not trying to do something about it.
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Old 02-21-2010, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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The free-market small government conservatives are the first to complain that big government is not doing enough to create jobs.

Make up your mind.
So true! Especially when one considers this statement from the OP's link:

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Large companies are increasingly owned by institutional investors who crave swift profits, a feat often achieved by cutting payroll. The declining influence of unions has made it easier for employers to shift work to part-time and temporary employees. Factory work and even white-collar jobs have moved in recent years to low-cost countries in Asia and Latin America. Automation has helped manufacturing cut 5.6 million jobs since 2000 — the sort of jobs that once provided lower-skilled workers with middle-class paychecks.
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Old 02-21-2010, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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And big government is the one claiming to have saved or created all those millions of jobs in spite of the lack of evidence and trying to force more payments from small business (health care mandated enrollment) that these small business cannot afford. Hench they close, costing more jobs.

Who needs to make up their mind?

BTW, making a claim of creating jobs is just more verbal garbage from the ever declining Ibowma.
This is a great argument that it is time for National healthcare!
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