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Old 02-21-2010, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I am curious to see how the conservatives are going to react when millions of people are stuck on unemployment for years because there are just no jobs.

How will the politicians react? If they stop the benefits, they could lose alot of votes. If they continue them for years on end, they could anger other voters.

Well we'll find out soon. About one million fall off the extended rolls next month and will also lose COBRA.

Now talk is that they should extend it yet again for the rest of 2010 (10 months here). That doesn't sound too promising of this so-called recovery we're in.


Jobless could soon lose their unemployment insurance - Feb. 19, 2010
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Old 02-21-2010, 06:32 PM
 
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'go without' what?
Go without freebies. If you missed it the wlefare state only creates more welfare recipients. It's been that way for over two centuries. Maybe you remember a Franklin quote or two:

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The U. S. Constitution doesn't guarantee happiness, only the pursuit of it. You have to catch up with it yourself.
or maybe...

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Repeal that [welfare] law, and you will soon see a change in their manners. ... Six days shalt thou labor, though one of the old commandments long treated as out of date, will again be looked upon as a respectable precept; industry will increase, and with it plenty among the lower people; their circumstances will mend, and more will be done for their happiness by inuring them to provide for themselves, than could be done by dividing all your estates among them.
Maybe not...

Your path is a slippery slope. One where food, housing, transportation, personal hygiene.. etc all become something everyone else pays for. You know, the same slippery slope as bailouts. There will always be people "without" that "need" help when you have 6.6 billion people in the world. Where do you stop?
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Old 02-21-2010, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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This capitalist system makes (almost) everyone dependent upon the capitalism system - supply and demand. If enough jobs are available, we'll have less unemployed. If not, the unemployed will remain unemployed, until their benefits expire and they become statistics (homeless).
Those who have jobs are at the mercy of those who have the money and power. They own the land, the wealth, and they wheel and deal to their advantage. It's individual responsibility to strive for happiness. It's not a corporate or government policy. I don't think that happiness should be confused with necessities for survival, such as food, shelter, and clothing.
It's very tough to find jobs when few jobs are available. I wonder if conservatives understand this? I guess most conservatives would whip the unemployed to tell them to get jobs. Maybe it could be understood this way;2 deer in the valley and 200 hunters. What do you do with the other 198?
The workers that are laid-off are treated as inanimate objects. From tradition this is the American Way. If a company with 500 vehicles has less business it can sell some off or simply park the excess vehicles and let them rot. It's too bad we can apply technology to "freeze" people until maybe they are needed again.
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Old 02-21-2010, 06:58 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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The unemployment only lasts so long. Then it's poverty, like homelessness.
It seems the conservatives are more interested in bashing Obama.
But this is America...who really gives a damn about the homeless, where they sleep, what they eat, if they are healthy, etc? Why break cherished American traditions?
that is Sooo on the money. Gov't was so quick to bail out the auto cos, the financial institutions. The politicians need to pay attention to the common man. I think that the POTUS is trying to do just that, but being obstructed every step of the way by the Repugs and conservative DINOs.
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Old 02-21-2010, 07:09 PM
 
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This capitalist system makes (almost) everyone dependent upon the capitalism system - supply and demand. If enough jobs are available, we'll have less unemployed. If not, the unemployed will remain unemployed, until their benefits expire and they become statistics (homeless).
Those who have jobs are at the mercy of those who have the money and power. They own the land, the wealth, and they wheel and deal to their advantage. It's individual responsibility to strive for happiness. It's not a corporate or government policy. I don't think that happiness should be confused with necessities for survival, such as food, shelter, and clothing.
It's very tough to find jobs when few jobs are available. I wonder if conservatives understand this? I guess most conservatives would whip the unemployed to tell them to get jobs. Maybe it could be understood this way;2 deer in the valley and 200 hunters. What do you do with the other 198?
The workers that are laid-off are treated as inanimate objects. From tradition this is the American Way. If a company with 500 vehicles has less business it can sell some off or simply park the excess vehicles and let them rot. It's too bad we can apply technology to "freeze" people until maybe they are needed again.
Your two deer divided between the two-hundred and everyone starves. In a capitalist system that would be understood and, yes, a few of the hunters would make it for a while on the two deer. The rest would know they're going to starve if they don't figure something else out. Maybe they become herbivores or find another mammal in the forest to live off of. If they don't they die just like has happened -- and one shouldn't forget that's how we are where we are today -- in the past and what's brought us to understand evolution. Maybe you don't understand *shurgz shoulders*. Capitalism directly emulates evolution. I guess you'd call evolution wrong because throughout history some species had to die and some species had to prevail. You do understand that for the evil capitalist to make money they need assets, employees, to make them money. Poor people don't make or give people jobs... Despite what your favorite demagogue told you.
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Old 02-21-2010, 07:14 PM
 
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that is Sooo on the money. Gov't was so quick to bail out the auto cos, the financial institutions. The politicians need to pay attention to the common man. I think that the POTUS is trying to do just that, but being obstructed every step of the way by the Repugs and conservative DINOs.
And that's your moral hazard. Where do the bailouts stop? When it gets down to the animals in the wild that only got one meal of ants last night in the forest?
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Old 02-21-2010, 09:26 PM
 
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I realy believe that there would be more jobs if the true consideration would lean to Solar farms and installations of solar on rooftops. There are a lot of Elderly Homes that ,by the government (out of work ) workers could install these.
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Old 02-22-2010, 07:03 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Increase in unemployment under Obama? You do realize this recession started under GWB? And unemployment soared under him?
And your statement is a mere deflection. You fail to address the fact that unemployment soared under Ibowma. Has nothing to do with Bush, the lefts favorite person to blame for all of their screwups.
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Old 02-22-2010, 07:07 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Well we'll find out soon. About one million fall off the extended rolls next month and will also lose COBRA.
This will, of course, be viewed by the Ibowma crowd as a lowering of joblessness, thus more jobs created. In a typical fuzzy math method used by the government.
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Old 02-22-2010, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I wonder why none of you have suggested countervailing tariffs and confiscatory tax rates on profits made overseas? That would remove the profit that drives business to invest in outsourcing.

I we were a real democracy previous tariffs would have remained in force but as we are a corporate kleptocracy actual control of our economy is not for the benefit of all but for the profit of the few.
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