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View Poll Results: Should a license be required in order to own a gun?
Yes 41 37.61%
No 65 59.63%
Not sure 3 2.75%
Voters: 109. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-15-2010, 07:35 AM
 
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Most people see to want to live in the latter 5.
Well, yes, most people don't choose the state they live in based on the state's gun laws, but there are certainly some who do.
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Old 02-15-2010, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Chicago Suburbs
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Nobody has restricted your right to your opinion. Nobody is restricting my right to point out that most people who are fixated on the 2nd Amendment actually know relatively little about the rest of our constitution and the body of law encompassed by Supreme Court opinions.
Will you please substantiate this claim?
Thank you
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Old 02-15-2010, 08:35 AM
 
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Exactly. The cry for the outlawing of guns is the idea that somehow it will stop criminals from owning guns. And even if it did work(though it doesn't), and they didn't have a gun themselves. Criminals are usually young and strong, and tend to pick on the old and weak. But guns are the great equalizer. It doesn't matter if you are weak or not, if some young punk comes up to you trying to rob you, shoot his ass.

I don't know how the liberals have been so successful in limiting peoples rights. It is funny how liberals talk about their "rights" when defending every ridiculous demand of theirs. But as soon as guns are brought up, they could care less about your rights.

The truth is, you don't have any rights. If you believe they came from "god", you are delusional. We gave people their rights, and we can take them away anytime we want. You just have to convince enough (stupid)people that it is the right thing to do.
I support 2nd amendment. I do not support the right of children, clinically insane, blind or criminals to posses a fire arm. Criminals won't be stopped entirely, but it does stem the tide, and it's easier separating responsible owners from the irresponsible. When chains of custody for firearms are documented, it exonerates innocent parties and facilitates criminal investigations.
Your rights end where mine (and the rest of civilization) begins. There's a degree of adaptation required of anyone to participate in civilization, and unless you mean to hole yourself up on 100 acres somewhere, going grocery shopping with your machine gun isn't appropriate.
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Old 02-15-2010, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I know the laws vary from one place to another, but if there's a right to own a gun, why haven't gun license laws been challenged? If they have been challenged, why have the courts upheld them?

I'm not aware of a license being required to own a gun. In most states a license is required for concealed carry. And that's a good thing.
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Old 02-15-2010, 08:49 AM
 
Location: In a house
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Considering it's Congress and the state legislatures, not votes of the people, that pass and repeal federal constitutional amendments, government actually does.

Nope. A govt can repress a right but it cannot take it away.
You have every right to carry a gun anyplace you choose, but in many instances it'll get you arrested. Just as free speech has always existed but people are still killed for expressing themselves in some places.

To the OP its changing. not long ago there were alot less states permitting public carrying of handguns, not theres only two.

The biggest problem with gun rights is we let violent criminals out of jail. Because of that we need laws to keep guns (theoretically) out of their hands.
Back when they wrote the constitution it was different. You got hung for stealing a horse, let alone murder, armed robbery and other violent crimes.
We need to get it thru our heads that peple who cant be trusted on the street simply shouldn't be there.

Its never justifiable to limit liberty in order to turn violent people loose on the street.
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Old 02-15-2010, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Chicago Suburbs
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I'm not aware of a license being required to own a gun. In most states a license is required for concealed carry. And that's a good thing.
Firearm Owner's Frequently Asked Questions
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Unless specifically exempted by statute, any Illinois resident who acquires or possesses firearm or firearm ammunition within the State must have in their possession a valid Firearm Owner's Identification (FOID) card issued in his or her name.
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Old 02-15-2010, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Purgatory (A.K.A. Dallas, Texas)
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Will you please substantiate this claim?
Thank you

Read any post by GuyNTexas.
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Old 02-15-2010, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I know the laws vary from one place to another, but if there's a right to own a gun, why haven't gun license laws been challenged? If they have been challenged, why have the courts upheld them?
I think the states where you need a licence to own a gun are very few. In Florida you don't need a licence.
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Old 02-15-2010, 09:02 AM
 
Location: In a house
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The Supreme Court, which is the arbiter of such questions, disagrees. No rights are absolute. All rights have limitations. Wrong country. Try Oz.

The supreme court is suposed to decide the legality of legislation based on the letter of the law as written in the constitution, not based on personal or political agendas and affiliations as they do.

The constitution says quite clearly that the right to keep & bear arms can not be infringed. That means to own & carry arms, not just guns but knives & other arms. Its not even clear that it doesn't protect a right to artillery given that early militia were required to have field pieces.
But that aside its clearly unconstitutional to outright ban the carrying of guns as has been done is places like DC, NYC, Chicago & the entire state of Illinois.

They can regulate things without infringing on them. You need a permit to assemble in some cases but for the most part a group of people can go anywhere they choose together. You need a license to run a newspaper but anybody can print out fliers & hand them out as they see fit.
In the same way a person should be free to carry a gun wherever & whenever they want right up until they break a real law. Just as a group can walk around DC but cannot attack people and a person can hand out pamphlets but not sell them.

Its pretty funny really to see otherwise intelligent people lose their sense of right & wrong because they have been told up is down and right is left for so long.
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Old 02-15-2010, 09:05 AM
 
Location: In a house
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I think the states where you need a licence to own a gun are very few. In Florida you don't need a licence.

Not to own but to carry (bear) you do. Only two states allow the unrestricted carry of a handgun, Alaska & Vermont. Many others allow open carry in theory but few in practice.
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