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Just thought maybe we could talk about the actual issue of global warming. Not political ideas that Al gore is the head of a conspiracy which includes thousands of scientists. etc etc. But maybe the reality that the suppossed climategate has not really proven anything. The emails were hacked and potentially edited but certainly cherry picked in an attempt to support a political agenda.
There is 13 years of correspondence between a few select scientists speaking about a few select projects. The issue of global warming has had tens of thousands of papers written on the topic by thousands of different scientists who say that global warming not only exists but is also human caused by extensive CO2 in the environment from burning of fossil fuels etc.
The standard response to this will be of course something about al gore, something about the earth cooling (which is clearly false according to all scientific data) something about how it was cold in texas last year ( which is a mis understanding of global warming). But here are some links to some of the most recent research being done. Please read the links before replying and please don't reply if all you have is the normal political rhetoric because that will not really allow for a grown up discussion which rarely seems possible on this forum.
Global Climate Change Impacts in the United States - Home
"The report, “Global Climate Change Impacts in the United States,” compiles years of scientific research and takes into account new data not available during the preparation of previous large national and global assessments.
Please read the links before replying and please don't reply if all you have is the normal political rhetoric because that will not really allow for a grown up discussion which rarely seems possible on this forum.
And yet, we have this;
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The emails were hacked and potentially edited but certainly cherry picked in an attempt to support a political agenda.
Not hacked, a whistle blower. The CRU has indeed verified the content of the emails - no one is saying they have been tampered with.
See the last post in this thread - a devastating report.
You know, the climate changes all the time, it has for billions of years. Who's to say that a warmer climate won't be beneficial to man? All we have are predictions from the alarmists of flood, famine, death, destruction and all kinds of natural disasters if the temperature rises 2 degrees (how utterly preposterous).
The whole peer-review process is another victim in this mess. Peer-review, including double-blind peer-review is the method by which scientists check each other's methods and data. It enforces honesty in the science world. By cherry-picking like-minded people to review their data and boycotting scientific journals that disagree with their work they corrupt the whole scientific process.
The FDA would never permit the pharmaceutical companies to bring a drug to market in this manner, yet here Congress is ready to blow our economy up based on corrupt data.
It doesn't mean you are wrong, but it does mean that the case is not closed and it is not settled science.
Overwhelmingly the scientific community agrees on global warming and its causes being greenhouse gases. The emails have been cherry picked from 13 years of communications. They use scientific terms that many people don't understand in context. The IPPC has used a lot more than just their data. There are literally tens of thousands of research articles done on global warming. Why would a few corrupt, if they are, scientists discredit the years and years of research done by thousands of other scientists??
You know, the climate changes all the time, it has for billions of years. Who's to say that a warmer climate won't be beneficial to man? All we have are predictions from the alarmists of flood, famine, death, destruction and all kinds of natural disasters if the temperature rises 2 degrees (how utterly preposterous).
The claimed the same set of disasters would be occurring - only this time, it would be due to cooling.
Can't you see that?
They were hacked/stolen from a computer. Call it what you want. Correct no one is question the content but that content has been taken out of context.
Yes I read the report about it. Scientists from one University not the entire community.
Look I already said I know you would respond with its cyclical etc but reality is that its not, not at this speed. Did you read the latest report that was just put out 6 months ago? If you did how come you have no direct criticism of that and what it says?
As far as your claim against my statement of it being cherry picked that is not rhetoric it is fact. There are thousands upon thousands of emails and people are focusing on what ? One guy saying the word trick? If you know anything about science you would know that trick in scientific research is not used in the same way as to trick someone.
The whole peer-review process is another victim in this mess. Peer-review, including double-blind peer-review is the method by which scientists check each other's methods and data. It enforces honesty in the science world. By cherry-picking like-minded people to review their data and boycotting scientific journals that disagree with their work they corrupt the whole scientific process.
The FDA would never permit the pharmaceutical companies to bring a drug to market in this manner, yet here Congress is ready to blow our economy up based on corrupt data.
You do realize that there is alway opposition to everything right. Do you not think research on the big bang theory had to dodge creationist theory in publication? And again you are throwing out the work of thousands due to the potential actions of a few based on what you have read on the internet not what scientists have to say.
I just wonder how many of those thousands of scientists were working off bogus data. It is clearly some of the scientific data that is false. The scientific community has lost their credibility. Once a liar, always a liar. When people were not buying their Global Warming sewage anymore, the shape shifters changed the name to Climate Change. Same product, different label, same scam in the package.
Overwhelmingly the scientific community agrees on global warming and its causes being greenhouse gases. The emails have been cherry picked from 13 years of communications. They use scientific terms that many people don't understand in context. The IPPC has used a lot more than just their data. There are literally tens of thousands of research articles done on global warming. Why would a few corrupt, if they are, scientists discredit the years and years of research done by thousands of other scientists??
"Professor Philip Jones, the CRU's director, is in charge of the two key sets of data used by the IPCC to draw up its reports. Through its link to the Hadley Centre, part of the UK Met Office, which selects most of the IPCC's key scientific contributors, his global temperature record is the most important of the four sets of temperature data on which the IPCC and governments rely – not least for their predictions that the world will warm to catastrophic levels unless trillions of dollars are spent to avert it."
Not to mention what it has done to the credibility of the peer review process.
I would suggest you do not go down the road that the e-mails are fake, altertered or taken out of context. The owners of the e-mails do no such thing.
Last edited by shorebaby; 12-04-2009 at 11:47 PM..
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