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Old 11-26-2009, 09:59 PM
 
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EXACTLY the same tactic the WH and this admin. recently took with Fox News when they "tried" to get the rest of the news media networks to side with them.....and they chose to stand up for Fox News instead!
The others apparently.....ARE still fond of their paychecks to truly speak out like Fox has....or their just chickencrap and have no kahunas.
Who else oth there has such investigative journalism as what Fox brings to their show?
NOBODY.
Apparently, this admin. and the Dems. in general, don't seem too fond of Free Speech or the Constitution as a whole. They have SHOWN this......clearly.
Are you joking? Fox News has a well documented history of flat out lying and distorting the truth.

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I'll agree that 8 years of Bush showed some tyranny as well.....but THIS administration is starting to make Bush look pretty good......just short of 11 MONTHS into it!
That's why BO has been TANKIN.....and WILL continue to do so!
Really? How?

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We KNOW "the philosophy" well. MANY nations are socialist.....this MEAN that WE HAVE to BE, as well?
We didn't WANT their freakin metric system and we DON'T WANT their socialism either!
Well, considering that capitalism has proven to be a colossal **** up of epic proportions and is inherently authoritarian, I'd say YES!

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The ONLY thing wrong with Capitalism is when it is corrupted by EVERYONE who has a stake in it for the GREED......and nothing else!
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To ALLOW such a complete lack of oversight by the likes of the SEC and others.....speculation and wreckless lending....on top of "overlooking" so many cos. who "cooked their books" AND ALLOWED their CEO's to jet off into a golden sunset with MILLIONS in salary and bonuses......despite TANKING the company and the stockholders.

Lack of oversight and accountability due to BLINDNESS by GREED and achievement by FRAUD and corruption!
Govt. banks, investors and "certain" corporations.....became "invincible" to far too many....including our top leaders!
All this does NOT constitute a "failure of Capitalism as an economic model" as you say.....but rather, the DIRTY side of BIG, BIG MONEY.......for the taking with a complete lack of integrity, ethical or moral standard by far too many.....and MANY who were willing to turn a blind eye and permit the seeds for disaster to be sown and sell their souls and the rest of US to the highest bidder.....in the process.
"True" Capitalism is still the best model......but without everyone playing by the rules.......it too, is broken and just needs to be fixed.
The innate problems with capitalism are that it rewards greed, apathy, and power mongering, evolves into corporatism, redistributes nearly all of our nation's wealth into the pockets of the wealthiest 1%, and that it's tyrannical. Capitalism is a pyramid scheme, it's entirely based on a select few on the top possessing all the wealth and power, while the rest of us peasants have barely anything at all. And it does indeed confirm that capitalism is a failed model because you'll never do away with the greed and corruption that led to this economic disaster. Because when you have a nation where the bulk of it's wealth is given to the wealthiest 1% while everyone else is just barely making ends meet, you have a disaster just waiting to happen. It's like a vampire, draining it's victim of all of it's blood, killing it slowly.

And the only alternative to all this while retaining capitalism is heavy intervention from the government, and I'm not too keen on that either.

Which is why I'm a Libertarian Socialist.
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Old 11-26-2009, 10:36 PM
 
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Are you joking? Fox News has a well documented history of flat out lying and distorting the truth.

It's like a vampire, draining it's victim of all of it's blood, killing it slowly.
You've just described Fox News - watch the shows -
- buy the books - go to the movie "The Christmas Sweater" - it may not save their souls - but it sure makes Fox laugh all the way to the bank. But hey, that's capitalism - no one ever said it told the truth
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Old 11-26-2009, 10:45 PM
 
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[quote=Gyconi;11791384]Are you joking? Fox News has a well documented history of flat out lying and distorting the truth.

Really? How?

Well, considering that capitalism has proven to be a colossal **** up of epic proportions and is inherently authoritarian, I'd say YES!

The innate problems with capitalism are that it rewards greed, apathy, and power mongering, evolves into corporatism, redistributes nearly all of our nation's wealth into the pockets of the wealthiest 1%, and that it's tyrannical. Capitalism is a pyramid scheme, it's entirely based on a select few on the top possessing all the wealth and power, while the rest of us peasants have barely anything at all. And it does indeed confirm that capitalism is a failed model because you'll never do away with the greed and corruption that led to this economic disaster. Because when you have a nation where the bulk of it's wealth is given to the wealthiest 1% while everyone else is just barely making ends meet, you have a disaster just waiting to happen. It's like a vampire, draining it's victim of all of it's blood, killing it slowly.

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And the only alternative to all this while retaining capitalism is heavy intervention from the government, and I'm not too keen on that either.
Can you think of another alternative....since the ONLY thing we obviously agree on, is that we are neither...."too keen on heavy government intervention," as you say.

Suppose THIS.....was NOT an option.
Especially since "their special interests" are equally as corrupt as those of any corporate CEO who's overpaid, rakes in mult-million in salary/bonus and WASTES the entire company.
The Govt. is NO different and this is WHY.......some of us can do without ANY form of "heavy govt. intervention" since THEY WILL ONLY make things far worse and cost us all......more than whatever they're "solution" is EVER worth!

Some things NEED to fix THEMSELVES......and supply and demand USED to be ALL that was necessary to conclude the going rate of any and all that is for sale.
Well, many a bubble has burst.......I say, LET the FREE MARKET......DETERMINE the "real value" instead of YOUR.....government intervention that has Wall Street presently....an overinflated joke of speculation.......still looking for its TRUE place!
Govt. bailouts don't reflect too well on a shaky street like Wall.....not with investors......I mean the bread and butter of the free market.


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Which is why I'm a Libertarian Socialist.
Sounds like a personal problem.
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Old 11-26-2009, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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Default We Know Who to blame

When they write the obit on America, they will say the the far left's obsession with political correctness was at the root of the downward spiral.
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Old 11-27-2009, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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But we will prevail. We always do.
There is a huge difference between We always DID and We always WILL.
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Old 11-27-2009, 11:51 AM
 
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President Reagan invigorated the American base by renewing the American spirit. He gave them a confidence that was stolen from the mid-60's to the later-early 70's/80's. The reason why his policies worked was not only because of renewing thing American spirit but by allowing that American ingenuity to create new areas to put capital into to. That capital helped bring jobs and huge technological advances. He knew the odds of millions of Americans being able to find a niche and to innovate, as opposed to hundreds of life long politicians, was much greater. The myth of deregulation causing all our perils was the exact same stance that gave us LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter. All one needs to do is look at unemployement graphs from the BLS.gov website and take note of the times where more Americans where working and who was in power. Clinton, Reagan and Kennedy, and to some extent G. W. Bush all embraced these ideas.

http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/graphics/LNS14000000_79120_1259347230544.gif (broken link)
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...ys1HorW2ojyLLw

Government is not the answer to all the problems and in many cases it's the problem.

Plus let's not forget, it could be worse:
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After just a few weeks of battle, Hitler's armies had experienced stunning victories on all fronts. Holland, Luxembourg and Belgium had capitulated by the end of May. Paris fell on June 14. Three days later, France sued for peace.
In this speech to the House of Commons, Prime Minister Winston Churchill discusses the disastrous turn of events in Europe with the realization that Britain now stands alone against the seemingly unstoppable German military juggernaut.
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Hitler knows that he will have to break us in this Island or lose the war. If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science.
Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, 'This was their finest hour.'
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Old 11-27-2009, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Saturn
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I watched this on TV today. Do you think that the 2 richest people in America would be investing billions of their own dollars in the future of this country if they thought our goose was cooked for good?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgbZzgyHZgI
good post
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