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Old 09-24-2009, 08:29 AM
 
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Paid by American taxpayers, of course. And all the undocumented immigrants who also pay taxes but who don't collect the benefits that they pay for in many ways, and who work here making our products and services cheaper. We benefit from their presence in many ways, and it's petty and pathetic for us to deny their children educations and health care in return.

We all pay school taxes whether we have kids or not. So you already pay for children of other families.

It is the moral thing to extend education to as many kids as we can. It's also the smart thing to do economically. As long as you look longer-term and are not a greedy, tax-protesting wingnut.

I guess as long as you think an arbitrary political line on a map is the most important thing in this discussion, you can't be convinced that it's also important to be decent and generous to others. That damn line means everything, doesn't it?

You do realize that the children in question are not residents at all. They and their families live/work/and spend their money in Mexico. They are not contributing a dime in US taxes in order to 'chip in' for thier education costs.
And whether or not you give credence to 'arbitrary lines on a map' the rest of the world do take things like a nations sovereignity to be important.
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Old 09-24-2009, 08:31 AM
 
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Paid by American taxpayers, of course. And all the undocumented immigrants who also pay taxes but who don't collect the benefits that they pay for in many ways, and who work here making our products and services cheaper. We benefit from their presence in many ways, and it's petty and pathetic for us to deny their children educations and health care in return.

We all pay school taxes whether we have kids or not. So you already pay for children of other families.

It is the moral thing to extend education to as many kids as we can. It's also the smart thing to do economically. As long as you look longer-term and are not a greedy, tax-protesting wingnut.

I guess as long as you think an arbitrary political line on a map is the most important thing in this discussion, you can't be convinced that it's also important to be decent and generous to others. That damn line means everything, doesn't it?

--"arbitrary political line "-

Another catchy phrase used by ILLEGAL sympathizers
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Old 09-24-2009, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Idaho Falls
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--"arbitrary political line "-

Another catchy phrase used by ILLEGAL sympathizers
I'm a legal sympathizer, thank you very much.
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Old 09-24-2009, 10:20 AM
 
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I'm a legal sympathizer, thank you very much.
what? no you aren't. our revolution was started because of "tax protesting" people. have you forgotten that? should we all just say "go ahead and tax me whatever you want so i can pay for the illegals." heck no!!!! what is wrong with protesting taxes?
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Old 09-24-2009, 10:23 AM
 
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But I guess that's OK because these kids were born on the wrong side of a bureaucratic line.
More crap on America for the sake of some one world order.

Sell out your home to save the neighborhood. Great plan.
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Old 09-24-2009, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Orlando, FL
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Another case of short-sighted policy driven by extremism and jingoism.

As long as the school system is being paid for teaching them (where I live the school district is paid through attendance), then there should be no problem teaching children who want to learn. What we get back in a better-educated population and goodwill make the effort worthwhile.

Instead, these kids will have no future and will be limited to lives marked by poverty. I guess they have futures as drug cartel members or as coyotes. But I guess that's OK because these kids were born on the wrong side of a bureaucratic line.
Hmmm...yeah sorry I don't agree with that.

I have to provide a copy of my lease and a current bill to the school board just to prove I live in that county; proof of residency shouldn't be an issue if you belong there.
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Old 09-24-2009, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Here
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"Do it for the children"...<puke>
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Old 09-24-2009, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Another case of short-sighted policy driven by extremism and jingoism.

As long as the school system is being paid for teaching them (where I live the school district is paid through attendance), then there should be no problem teaching children who want to learn. What we get back in a better-educated population and goodwill make the effort worthwhile.

Instead, these kids will have no future and will be limited to lives marked by poverty. I guess they have futures as drug cartel members or as coyotes. But I guess that's OK because these kids were born on the wrong side of a bureaucratic line.
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Originally Posted by idahogie View Post
Paid by American taxpayers, of course. And all the undocumented immigrants who also pay taxes but who don't collect the benefits that they pay for in many ways, and who work here making our products and services cheaper. We benefit from their presence in many ways, and it's petty and pathetic for us to deny their children educations and health care in return.

We all pay school taxes whether we have kids or not. So you already pay for children of other families.

It is the moral thing to extend education to as many kids as we can. It's also the smart thing to do economically. As long as you look longer-term and are not a greedy, tax-protesting wingnut.

I guess as long as you think an arbitrary political line on a map is the most important thing in this discussion, you can't be convinced that it's also important to be decent and generous to others. That damn line means everything, doesn't it?
As camping! has stated, these are NOT illegal aliens. Unfortunately, our laws require us to provide illegals with a “free” primary and secondary public school education, including “free” ESL classes, and “free” breakfast/lunch programs. These children are living in Mexico, and commuting daily to receive an education in this country.

Furthermore, should we only extend this “benefit” to children from Mexico? Or, should the downtrodden children throughout the world be entitled to come here to receive a tax-funded K-12 education? After all, we are not a sovereign nation. According to you, we only have an “arbitrary” line on a map separating us from the rest of the world. Please enlighten us on how educating “non-citizens” helps the U.S. economically.

How did heath care enter this discussion? Are you also suggesting we provide illegal aliens and the citizens of Mexico with tax-funded health care? Our hospitals are already going bankrupt due to billions of dollars of unpaid bills courtesy of our “visitors.”
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Old 09-24-2009, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I have enjoyed reading this thread. So many on each side and most making intelligent suggestions. However, so few mentioning that it is mostly property taxes that are used for schools. That is a very important part of this discussion. Yes, states kick in a bit per student and that is breaking them up. The feds do contribute a bit but not enough for them to have any say about what takes place in the schools.

Minerva Garcia, 50, hoped to move to her family's home in Ciudad Acuna to save money.

"If the students are willing to get up early to get across, it shouldn't be held against them," said Garcia, as she waited to pick up her 5-year-old and 8-year-old from school. "But I'm not going now."


I thought told the whole story very well. The lady wanted to take advantage of the Texas school but didn't want to live in Texas to do that. She thinks that her kids earn a right to go free, to Texas schools, by having the desire enough that they get up early to get there and I see that as nothing as far as a claim to school rights.

The Superintendent of Schools is very right and should uphold the laws of Texas not the desires of Mexican residents who pay no taxes in Texas.
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Old 09-24-2009, 11:20 AM
 
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don't think it's unreasonable to provide proof of residency. I do think the right thing to do would be to create a satellite school on the other side of the border.
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