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Old 07-20-2009, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I think that Obama gets his first loss with this one and after that many Congress critters will realize that he is beatable. He better just run on to his amnesty bill before they go home for August break and hope that not too many Congressers get a chance to talk to their constituents about amnesty or he loses that also.

Anyway here is an article that talks about Obamacare and its possible defeat.

Newsmax.com - Obama Health Plan to Cover 12 Million Illegals (http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/health_care_obama/2009/07/19/237484.html?s=al&promo_code=83A3-1 - broken link)
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Old 07-20-2009, 06:48 PM
 
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Cool..Let me turn my monitor off so I can enjoy this newsmax article.
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Old 07-20-2009, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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It's dead.

We have problems that do need to be addressed but just like Bill Clinton before him Obama reached to far.

Don't they know what incremental means or were they so arrogant the Polisi gang really thought they could ram it through?

Nah, instead they wanted 12 million illegals who don't pay taxes insured. Good move.
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:20 PM
 
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Roy, could you please post a link to something on this Heller amendment from some source besides a right wing blog? Like, the text of the amendment itself? I dont see it anywhere.
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:23 PM
 
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I'll take that bet.
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:30 PM
 
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I think that Obama gets his first loss with this one and after that many Congress critters will realize that he is beatable. He better just run on to his amnesty bill before they go home for August break and hope that not too many Congressers get a chance to talk to their constituents about amnesty or he loses that also.

Anyway here is an article that talks about Obamacare and its possible defeat.

Newsmax.com - Obama Health Plan to Cover 12 Million Illegals (http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/health_care_obama/2009/07/19/237484.html?s=al&promo_code=83A3-1 - broken link)
I haven't read the article yet. but I doubt that Obama is going to back down. This is the key issue that got him overwhelmingly elected and he knows it. When we get the public option, it will get him re-elected. Sorry naysayers.
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:33 PM
 
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Okay, I found the amendment:

http://republicans.waysandmeans.hous..._Amdt_Text.pdf

But we dont know why it was rejected. Could it be that what it would require is redundant? and maybe just a little bit of a grandstanding opportunity?

If anyone has more information on this please post.
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Is Obamacare Maybe Dead?
No. He's just put out the siren call to his acolytes to pressure moderate dems.

"WE" better do the same.
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:47 PM
 
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I understand that the art of politics plays a big role in this, but wouldn't it make sense to have a thoughtful, deliberate debate that is un-rushed and free of the political grandstanding that tends to take place when legislation is rushed through? For whatever reason, Obama feels that his policy agenda has to be acted on RIGHT NOW. I personally believe that the American people would put more trust in the government if Obama took the issue to the people, and asked for their patience as he and congress work through the very complex and abundant details of reforming healthcare. Rushing such far-reaching legislation through Congress does nothing but contribute to the overall distrust the people have for the government because it has the appearance of government trying to hide something.
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:53 PM
 
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I understand that the art of politics plays a big role in this, but wouldn't it make sense to have a thoughtful, deliberate debate that is un-rushed and free of the political grandstanding that tends to take place when legislation is rushed through? For whatever reason, Obama feels that his policy agenda has to be acted on RIGHT NOW. I personally believe that the American people would put more trust in the government if Obama took the issue to the people, and asked for their patience as he and congress work through the very complex and abundant details of reforming healthcare. Rushing such far-reaching legislation through Congress does nothing but contribute to the overall distrust the people have for the government because it has the appearance of government trying to hide something.
what do you think is the reason that Heller amendment was rejected?
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