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Old 07-09-2009, 08:53 PM
 
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Interesting that it was Richard Nixon was started the Environmental Protection Agency. I guess the OP would make fun of him and brand him an "environ-wacko" too.
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Old 07-09-2009, 08:55 PM
 
Location: FL/TX Coasts
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Even if it's just trading one greenhouse gas emission for another, I'd still rather move away from our dependence on foreign oil.

I guess some people are against anything and everything associated with liberals (or whatever the opposing viewpoint is). Glad I'm not one of them.
it's up to Exxon and other firms...and nobody else
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Old 07-09-2009, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Texas
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But is that truly realistic, particularly in the land locked north east where coal dominates? Will you be able to completely and consistently replace the kilowatts generated by the coal plants no matter the wind/weather conditions?
The electricity doesn't have to be generated in the northeast. With the proper infrastructure, it could be generated anywhere in the country and delivered to anywhere in the country.

Solar and wind power is the way to go. We need it - widespread - ASAP.
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Old 07-09-2009, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Rural Northern California
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The electricity doesn't have to be generated in the northeast. With the proper infrastructure, it could be generated anywhere in the country and delivered to anywhere in the country.

Solar and wind power is the way to go. We need it - widespread - ASAP.
Nuclear is a far better option. And while there's not an unlimited supply of it either, it's at least a solid stop-gap solution until we can develop renewable energy that is both reliable and constant.
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:00 PM
 
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The electricity doesn't have to be generated in the northeast. With the proper infrastructure, it could be generated anywhere in the country and delivered to anywhere in the country.

Solar and wind power is the way to go. We need it - widespread - ASAP.
I thought long distance transmission of electricity causes power to be lost making it too inefficient due to resistance of the wires.
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Even if it's just trading one greenhouse gas emission for another, I'd still rather move away from our dependence on foreign oil.

I guess some people are against anything and everything associated with liberals (or whatever the opposing viewpoint is). Glad I'm not one of them.
Unfortunately the lithium for batteries come from Venezuela and Bolivia. Trading one set of dictators for another.

"as for the lithium, Bolivia, under the thumb of its leftist leader Evo Morales, has about half the world's proven reserves. "The United States has supplies of lithium, but if demand for lithium exceeded domestic supplies," warns the GAO, "the U.S. could substitute reliance on one foreign source (oil) for another (lithium)."

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnal...aspx?id=481690
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:07 PM
 
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Unfortunately the lithium for batteries come from Venezuela and Bolivia. Trading one set of dictators for another.
Interesting. Thank you for pointing that out. You are a wise one - at least on this issue.

Lithium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Guess I'll keep driving my H3 without feeling any guilt!
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I thought long distance transmission of electricity causes power to be lost making it too inefficient due to resistance of the wires.
There may be some loss, but I don't think it's extreme enough for a system like that to not be viable. I'll have to read up on it some more.
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Can I ask you a serious question? Do you recycle? Do you turn off the water when you are brushing your teeth? How about lights, tv, etc. when you aren't using them? What do you care if somebody wants to drive an electric car? Maybe, just maybe, they find a gas hog to NOT be economical and prefer an electric car to simply save money. Is it possible that caring about taking care of our planet does NOT make one an *environ-wacko* as you stated.

How do you plan to dispose of the batteries?

"There are the hazards of the cars themselves. We don't yet fully comprehend the hazards to drivers, passengers and first responders after, say, a collision between an electric clown car and an 18-wheeler. Then there's a whole new problem of disposing of a new generation of batteries using lithium."

Investors.com - Not So Fast With Those Electric Cars
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Solar and wind power is the way to go. We need it - widespread - ASAP.
They will never, ever meet our energy needs.

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Maybe, just maybe, they find a gas hog to NOT be economical and prefer an electric car to simply save money.
I guess you didn't read the article. Electric cars are not the panacea that the liberals envisioned.
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