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Old 06-04-2009, 08:15 AM
 
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"The situation in Afghanistan demonstrates America's goals, and our need to work together. Over seven years ago, the United States pursued al Qaeda and the Taliban with broad international support. We did not go by choice, we went because of necessity. I am aware that some question or justify the events of 9/11. But let us be clear: al Qaeda killed nearly 3,000 people on that day. The victims were innocent men, women and children from America and many other nations who had done nothing to harm anybody. And yet Al Qaeda chose to ruthlessly murder these people, claimed credit for the attack, and even now states their determination to kill on a massive scale. They have affiliates in many countries and are trying to expand their reach. These are not opinions to be debated; these are facts to be dealt with."

Who believes this?
? "These are not opinions to be debated; these are facts to be dealt with."
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Old 06-04-2009, 08:16 AM
 
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What the heck do you think a speech is supposed to do, cleanhouse.
"But the tenor of his address was not to point blame -- except at extremists -- but to end past animosities between Islam and the West and to start anew. It extolled his gifts as an orator, but it left open the question of how successful a statesman he will become."

Good column form the LA times:

Obama's speech in Cairo: 'America, Islam are not exclusive,' Obama says in Cairo - Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-obama-speech5-2009jun05,0,2827433.story - broken link)
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Old 06-04-2009, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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I swear, this is one of the world's great speeches. I defy anyone to find something in it to criticize.
I can find things to criticize but I won't get that started. Overall it was a good speech. Actions speak louder than words though.
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Old 06-04-2009, 08:18 AM
 
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where are all the right wingers? I was hoping you'd come in for the attack and take the speech apart.

You all agree with it, I guess and are just too shy to say so
No person with at least a smidgen of awareness will argue Obama speaks well. it is the follow up many have a problem with.
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Old 06-04-2009, 08:20 AM
 
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How could it have "closed" the question? He just made the speech a couple of hours ago.

The "follow up" depends a lot on us. He laid out the plan and reminded "us" of our aspirations.

He's been showing that he sets a goal and sticks to it until it's achieved.

Many of the things he's talking about are objectives we all have to decide whether to make our own, and act from there.

The things he's personally responsible for that he mentioned - Iraq, Afgh - I see nothing in his past that indicates he wouldnt achieve them.
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Old 06-04-2009, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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First of all It was a well written speech.

But I would like to know what the muslim world thought of it. And I would like to see how he is going to follow up to make the world a better place.

So for right now - to me- it is just more of Obama standing up there and doing what he does best :reading well written speeches.
You are correct. I frankly don't care what he said. I was concerned about what the Muslim world would think. That is the reaction I am waiting for. I could care less what we in the US think about his speech and even less what the CD posters do.

Obama gives great speeches but actions speak louder than words.
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Old 06-04-2009, 08:23 AM
 
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Because he says things in his speeches does not tell me he understands. this is the main difference between the Obama no matter what backers and those actually paying attention to his actions.
I hope that you don't count yourself as one of the one's paying attention. Because if you are, I want to know how you have missed the seismic shift that has occurred over American policy vis a vis Israel, or the fact that an Israel Palestinian settlement is seen as the key linchpin in U.S. middle east policy as opposed to Iran. Because as an astute Obama watcher you would know that their understanding is that without a peaceful solution to the Palestinian issue nothing else in the middle east can be solved.

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If he starts to pull out our troops tomorrow from a battle that is Unwinnable in its current form, regardless of stupid banners on aircraft carriers, then I will believe he understands.
Are you one of those quibbling over having troops out of Iraq in 2011 vs early 2012 after 7 years of war?
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Old 06-04-2009, 08:28 AM
 
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This was a dynamite speech... I just love the fact that he does not duck the tough issues and he does not speak in simplicities... I rank his race speech and his ND abortion speech above this but this is a close third. I hope it puts pressure on both sides in the Middle East to try to work out the issues... because those issues are directly affecting the US.
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Old 06-04-2009, 08:30 AM
 
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where are all the right wingers? I was hoping you'd come in for the attack and take the speech apart.

You all agree with it, I guess and are just too shy to say so
I am not a right winger but I do have some things that concern me with this speech.

I got up specifically so I could watch it live. So I was very interested in what O had to say.

I want to digest it some more b/f I comment on it. I suspect there are many like me out there. The speech was conciliatory and beautiful rhetoric, to be sure.
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Old 06-04-2009, 08:31 AM
 
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well, here's one response:

Egypt's FM: Obama Speech 'Constructive' : NPR

Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit says President Obama's speech in Cairo next week is a recognition of the steadily worsening relationship between the Muslim world and the United States.

"It is an extremely important and constructive move," he tells NPR's Michele Norris, "because it shows that the American president ... recognizes the need to reconcile differences."
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