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Nonsense. They're importing nurses, and sub-standard nurses at that, from Third World nations because they can pay them less. Americans deserve to be paid a salary that allows them to get ahead in life. And nurses--upon whom lives depend--should be paid a very good wage. Instead, they are exploited and, as such, the enrollment in nursing school has gone down.
New Orleans was built by illegal workers because construction companies didn't want to pay Americans a fair wage.
Mexican people don't have any greater work ethic than Americans. If they did, their nation would be working a bit better, wouldn't it?
You do realize there is a nursing shortage and that is why we need to import nurses. Need a job become a nurse. AACN - Media - Nursing Shortage Fact Sheet
The United States is in the midst of a nursing shortage that is expected to intensify as baby boomers age and the need for health care grows. Compounding the problem is the fact that nursing colleges and universities across the country are struggling to expand enrollment levels to meet the rising demand for nursing care.
I am not saying they don't have talent. The problem is that the computer programmers are there, while the IT system was built here 10 or 15 years ago and the knowledge of the system is here. While these guys in India may be proficient in writing computer code, they do not understand the system and are prone to cause serious problems when they try to resolve simple errors. When we hire people here in US, they will sit next to us in the office and we are able to train them effectively, while these guys are in India and it is impossible to train them as well.
Also, looking at out time reporting it seems the resourses in India spend apprx 4-5 times more time resolving problems than our resources here. This being the case, it doesn't make sense to hire 3 India resources for the price of one US resource if the Indians take five times more time to resolve issues as the US resource.
Depending on the area of it is not just a matter of talent but the amount of available talent at a high enough/correct skill level. I suspect you might agree with the following link. IEEE-USA Today's Engineer
The US economy has undergone significant structural adjustments over the past several decades, changing from a primary orientation towards manufacturing towards one based on the service sector and high-value added goods. This isn't a change that is easily reversable nor is it one we should be seeking to reverse; it's a natural outcome of being a highly-developed country in an increasingly globalized world characterized by massive wealth inequalities between a large number of countries. This is an expected byproduct of the free market capitalism that many of the conservatives (and many liberals!) on this board hold so dear. Rather than try to stop this trend, which is inevitable in the modern global economy, we should be seeking ways of easing the continued transition to an economy oriented towards not only the service sector but also towards sophisticated modern goods ('green technology,' bioengineering, health technology, etc). Instead of implementing protectionist policies to try to stop outsourcing, which would be detrimental to our economy in the long-term, we need to provide better public financing for adult education, job retraining programs, unemployment benefits, education more generally...
Additionally, keep in mind that the way to solve the current economic crisis is not to going to be found in policies which will harm the economies of countries like China and India. This economic crisis is fully globalized; the global economy is one of complex interdependence in which one country's economy is so deeply rooted and integrated into the economies of other countries that something harmful to one can and does easily spread to all the rest. The economic crisis cannot be solved by purely domestic means. Like it or not, the health of our economy is predicated on the health of China's economy just as it's predicated on the health of Germany's econmy, the UK's economy, Brazil's economy, etc. It's not a zero-sum game; we can all be winners and we can all be losers. If the economies of China, Europe, etc. are doing well then the populations of those countries can buy more of our goods and produce more goods for us to purchase and we all benefit. Domestic policies are needed to overcome the current economic crisis, but global approaches are also necessary. There needs to be better means of economic policy coordination between countries (particularly insofar as central banking is concerned) if we really want to overcome the current crisis and better prepare for future global economic crises. In an increasingly globalized world we need more effective global economic institutions.
The US economy has undergone significant structural adjustments over the past several decades, changing from a primary orientation towards manufacturing towards one based on the service sector and high-value added goods. This isn't a change that is easily reversable nor is it one we should be seeking to reverse; it's a natural outcome of being a highly-developed country in an increasingly globalized world characterized by massive wealth inequalities between a large number of countries. This is an expected byproduct of the free market capitalism that many of the conservatives (and many liberals!) on this board hold so dear. Rather than try to stop this trend, which is inevitable in the modern global economy, we should be seeking ways of easing the continued transition to an economy oriented towards not only the service sector but also towards sophisticated modern goods ('green technology,' bioengineering, health technology, etc). Instead of implementing protectionist policies to try to stop outsourcing, which would be detrimental to our economy in the long-term, we need to provide better public financing for adult education, job retraining programs, unemployment benefits, education more generally...
Additionally, keep in mind that the way to solve the current economic crisis is not to going to be found in policies which will harm the economies of countries like China and India. This economic crisis is fully globalized; the global economy is one of complex interdependence in which one country's economy is so deeply rooted and integrated into the economies of other countries that something harmful to one can and does easily spread to all the rest. The economic crisis cannot be solved by purely domestic means. Like it or not, the health of our economy is predicated on the health of China's economy just as it's predicated on the health of Germany's econmy, the UK's economy, Brazil's economy, etc. It's not a zero-sum game; we can all be winners and we can all be losers. If the economies of China, Europe, etc. are doing well then the populations of those countries can buy more of our goods and produce more goods for us to purchase and we all benefit. Domestic policies are needed to overcome the current economic crisis, but global approaches are also necessary. There needs to be better means of economic policy coordination between countries (particularly insofar as central banking is concerned) if we really want to overcome the current crisis and better prepare for future global economic crises. In an increasingly globalized world we need more effective global economic institutions.
Yes, the US economy has transitioned to a service economy, largely supported by a fiat dollar given value by Opec who used it to sell it's oil. Now that the banking system has collapsed, there is no real economy to support the US dollar, except the artificial oil valuation, and how long can that last? The financial sector has been carrying this economy since we lost our manufacturing base and started outsourcing good paying tech jobs. Sure, education is needed to compete in the global economy, but there are American workers who could fill IT jobs. There has been a shift away from IBM mainframe jobs, where many US programmers have skills, to less reliable client-server technology where foreign workers have an edge.
Most of the outsourcing began just prior to 2000, when executives were upset that programmers were commanding higher salaries than their managers, due to supply and demand, so they went searching for cheap programmers from India. After some false starts, IT outsourcing became a staple of American business.
Since the Indian programmers made more errors, they started the QA (Quality Assurance) department to fix all the bugs, and now you have 2 people doing what one person used to do - so there goes the cost savings. Add in the business analysts to help project managers who aren't very technical, and some production support people to fix critical errors, and document specialists, you now have 5 jobs equal to the one job that used to be called 'programmer'.
I have been in the IT field since they used punch cards, so I have seen it's evolution. Back then a 'programmer' did the equivalent of 4 to 5 jobs today, business analyst, systems analyst, developer, quality analyst, production support, technical writer, documentation specialist. In the initial greed of saving money at the expense of the American worker, the industry executives created a bloated pig in the IT industry. It costs 5 times now to do the job of a programmer, and when you add in lost time due to all the different departments that don't communicate well with each other, much more. My project manager (with technical skills), and I used to be able to design, code and test a project in 1 month, for 2 salaries, that today in a typical company would now take 3 months and 5 salaries. Those CEOs really knew what they are doing, didn't they?
Yes, I used to love the days when the programmer did it all. Now each person is given a tiny section or a task in the project life cycle and they repeat that same task over and over. They don't even need to know which project they are working on, because they always repeat the same task. Gone are the days where everyone was involved in everything, and knew everything about the product. This new approach made outsourcing possible. They were able to start sending certain sections/tasks of projects overseas. And then they sent more and more sections and now entire projects are done overseas. The knowledge base of US IT products is no longer in US, but in the mercy of foreigners, and that is a scary thought.
A few thousand temporary construction jobs and a few handouts will not fix the job problem. Maybe the crash will be postponed for a year, but we can't do a trillion dollar 'stimulus' every year. If we want to re-establish ourselves as world leaders in the economic sense, we need for the permanent good paying jobs to return, otherwise we will be reduced immensely. The financial sector was propping up the economy, providing trillions in funny money, that people spent willy-nilly, providing work millions of jobs. Now it's all gone, and the 'real' jobs like tech and manufacturing are not being done by Americans. We will soon be reduced to a third world country.
drag Dubya to the white dome and make him recall the famous "Tax Break" policies(the oneS he approved & signed) for U.S. businesses outsourcing off-shore...
1) One of the greatest mistakes of globalization is tearing down the natural "fire walls" that separated between economies. These protected the global economy if any one player stumbled and helped him recover sooner. Now, every "fart" on any part of the globe is resonating instantly with the others. A mild virus can take down the whole "colony".
2) Like so many others, you repeat the slogans about "('green technology,' bioengineering, health technology, etc)". Instead of using these buzzwords, will you please bring specific details: what exactly these inventions are, how many people will they employ, what will be their total market, to whom we will export them... (on a side note, please bear in mind that anything made in the US can be made somewhere else for less. And that includes... everything!)
3) I am old enough to remember the days when "high tech" was the answer to disappearing manufacturing jobs in the 80s. Computers were the mantra and "high tech" was the buzzword of the day. (Most people who were championing high tech never spent a day in a high tech company, but they knew it was the future...) I remember in 1990 when Motorola were happily rubbing their hands, getting ready to sell 1 Billion cell phones to China. "You can't do better then selling a cell phone to every Chinese, they used to say with a wink...
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Additionally, keep in mind that the way to solve the current economic crisis is not to going to be found in policies which will harm the economies of countries like China and India. This economic crisis is fully globalized; the global economy is one of complex interdependence in which one country's economy is so deeply rooted and integrated into the economies of other countries that something harmful to one can and does easily spread to all the rest. The economic crisis cannot be solved by purely domestic means. Like it or not, the health of our economy is predicated on the health of China's economy just as it's predicated on the health of Germany's econmy, the UK's economy, Brazil's economy, etc. It's not a zero-sum game; we can all be winners and we can all be losers. If the economies of China, Europe, etc. are doing well then the populations of those countries can buy more of our goods and produce more goods for us to purchase and we all benefit. Domestic policies are needed to overcome the current economic crisis, but global approaches are also necessary. There needs to be better means of economic policy coordination between countries (particularly insofar as central banking is concerned) if we really want to overcome the current crisis and better prepare for future global economic crises. In an increasingly globalized world we need more effective global economic institutions.
1) One of the greatest mistakes of globalization is tearing down the natural "fire walls" that separated between economies. These protected the global economy if any one player stumbled and helped him recover sooner. Now, every "fart" on any part of the globe is resonating instantly with the others. A mild virus can take down the whole "colony".
2) Like so many others, you repeat the slogans about "('green technology,' bioengineering, health technology, etc)". Instead of using these buzzwords, will you please bring specific details: what exactly these inventions are, how many people will they employ, what will be their total market, to whom we will export them... (on a side note, please bear in mind that anything made in the US can be made somewhere else for less. And that includes... everything!)
3) I am old enough to remember the days when "high tech" was the answer to disappearing manufacturing jobs in the 80s. Computers were the mantra and "high tech" was the buzzword of the day. (Most people who were championing high tech never spent a day in a high tech company, but they knew it was the future...) I remember in 1990 when Motorola were happily rubbing their hands, getting ready to sell 1 Billion cell phones to China. "You can't do better then selling a cell phone to every Chinese, they used to say with a wink...
Exactly, what people fail to understand is everything done on a computer can be outsourced. This is in addition to manufacturing.
So all these people who say globalization is here to stay we need to adapt cant come up with real solutions only these buzz words that get thrown around with no substance.
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