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Old 02-12-2009, 12:54 PM
 
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In 2009 were going to see the worst economic collapse ever, the Greatest Depression, says Gerald Celente, U.S. trend forecaster. He believes its going to be very violent in the U.S., including there being a tax revolt.

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Old 02-12-2009, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Saw this. Revolution is possible, but a police state and/or civil war is also just as likely with breakaway republics such as Texas, NH, and parts of the midwest.
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Old 02-12-2009, 02:10 PM
 
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Pretty grim guy... He's right about commercial real estate.

Good interview questions.

He's saying exactly what Robert Reich and many others said - world business is restructuring. Alternative energies, conservation, IT. (Something else, more important, earlier)
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Old 02-12-2009, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Apple Valley Calif
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That stuff was pretty easy to predict once BO was elected...
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Old 02-21-2009, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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With all due respect, the collapse is not resolved by partisan politics.

1. The outstanding obligations (that which is owed to creditors and account holders) is a far greater sum than the amount of circulating medium of exchange. (I do not call it money, for it does not comply with law).

2. Pursuant to law, the only way NEW "dollar bills" are legally emitted, is by increasing the debt. In short, unless Congress goes deeper into debt, the "funny munny" supply cannot increase.

3. One of the major factors in triggering the subprime mortgage collapse was that the speculation finally drove up real estate prices to the point where the insufficient m.o.e. was exposed. Suddenly, there were no more "investors" with ready cash (nor credit) to continue the cycle of buy low, sell high, flip fast and bye bye.

4. As more investors try to "cash out", the pressure to come up with "dollar bills" is enormous. (Check the Federal Reserve M1 tally for Dec 2008)

5. Congress borrowed MORE than it paid in interest, in 2007 and 2008. It is servicing the debt with new investor's unmoney. That's why Bernie Madoff was arrested.

6. Under current conditions, the finite supply of "cash" has no proportionality with the marketplace (sum of all goods and services available for sale). Therefore, a disconnect exists, of such magnitude that it imperils commerce worldwide.

On a strict constitutional law basis, there is no solution possible. WHY?
  • The 14th amendment states that the public debt cannot be questioned - even though it is insane.
  • The limitation to precious metal coin as lawful money is mathematically unsound. A subset of a set can never be a representative for a whole set.
  • Usury and usurers are not prohibited. Usury is mathematically impossible to pay in a finite money token system.

Possible solution:
Repeal 14th amendment, amend Art.1 Sec.8 and Sec. 10 to eliminate the exclusion of other mediums of exchange. Explicitly ban usury - or at the least - cease enforcing contracts for usury in a court of law.
Which would, in turn, abolish the public debt, for it is based on usury and impossible to pay. (All bonds and T-bills would be void and FRNs would cease to be legal tender)
Expand the power of the court to recognize contracts denominated in other than lawful money - such as private promissory notes, denominated in goods and services (ex: coupons). Once productive people and enterprises can emit notes denominated in what they can do or produce, the money token supply will be freed from the mathematical paradox that has plagued mankind for millennia.

And let us not forget abolishing national socialism, and canceling all entitlement programs. But since Socialist InSecurity is 100% voluntary, it would only need full disclosure about the facts of the program to encourage mass exodus.
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Old 02-21-2009, 11:52 PM
 
Location: New York, New York
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That stuff was pretty easy to predict once BO was elected...
Yeah that economy was strong all the way up to Jan.20th or even election day.
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Old 02-22-2009, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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Yes we had a wonderful economy under GW Bush. And boy! If we had only elected McCain, the economy would be booming right now today! Bush took over when our economy was in horrible shape with high unemployment, high inflation and red ink as far as the eye could see! He balanced the federal budget, and left with declining unemployment and no inflation. and the country was at peace the whole time he was President! And thanks to his competence, we caught and tried and executed 19 people who were getting ready to ram planes into the World Trade Centre! Gas was 50 cents a gallon on January 19th and now it is damn near $2! Yes, Bush was the best! The best ever!
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Old 02-22-2009, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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In 2009 were going to see the worst economic collapse ever, the Greatest Depression, says Gerald Celente, U.S. trend forecaster. He believes its going to be very violent in the U.S., including there being a tax revolt.

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This is doom and gloom talk. Things are not nearly that bad and they will not get that bad.
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