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The Planned Parenthood analysis is made up of the following doctors, do you doubt their expertise?:
I doubt anyone who is working for Planned Parenthood. They have a financial interest in keeping abortion as legal as possible. That's no better than studies on the health effects of smoking commissioned by Phillip Morris.
I doubt anyone who is working for Planned Parenthood. They have a financial interest in keeping abortion as legal as possible. That's no better than studies on the health effects of smoking commissioned by Phillip Morris.
FYI - Planned Parenthood is a non-profit organization, that does not just perform abortions. Abortions are a small part of their valuable practice to the public, they also provide gyn exams, birth control, and pre-natal care. Abortions account for 3% of their services. Here is a link: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/fil...ual_report.pdf
So you doubt doctors from Mount Sinai, Cornell, Columbia who are experts in the fields of fetal pain and neurosurgery, as well as ultrasounds... yet you put trust into an ex abortion doctor who put out a manipulated video?
Did you bother opening up the multiple fetal pain studies from medical journals I linked, or are you just going to believe what was fed to you in a video?
Now, where is this scientific study that proves humanity? I posted mine that disproves that statement, where is your counter?
You base your opinions on ultrasound images? That's a little frightening no matter what opinion you end up with. Viability meanwhile is a development-specific, not a time-specific milestone. It varies from one fetus to another. The standard meanwhile continues to be set at 24 weeks. Miraculous outcomes do not alter the standard. In general, viability is the point where the chance for survival outside the womb goes from being zero to being an extremely small number that is just above zero. For a fetus born at this stage, many months of aggressive and intensive care would be required in pursuit of small chances for survival.
Well, let's see. At 21 weeks, a fetus doesn't have anything near the neural networks needed to transmit pain signals, the neural processing centers of the brain that would interpret those signals are not yet adequately developed to accomplish the task, and none of the experiential training in actual pain recognition has even been begun yet.
Only about one out of a hundred surgical abortions would be performed this late, so all of them are outliers of some sort or other. Reasons would vary from patient to patient. Probably would have to be something pretty significant, as not so many folks are going to go through five months of being pregnant and then suddenly just change their minds.
You can use whatever rationales you like in guiding your own reproductive history. It's when you want to start guiding other people that the bar gets raised a little bit...
I understand what you are saying. I hope you are right that fetus' cannot feel pain. Judging by the death of my own at 20 weeks, it certainly felt like there were death throes involved, and while it can certainly be argued that those were involuntary reactions.....still couldn't be too comfortable an experience for her.
I am not standing on a street corner condemning scared 15 year olds to hell for getting the pill. I do question the medical veracity of viability (it certainly has changed the parameters of the abortion debate in the last thirty years you would have to agree) and of brain function. How much is really known about the brain? Even experts in the field (and I certainly am not one) will agree that the human brain is not wholly understand at this time.
And that is all I am saying.
You know way too much detail about abortions....how do you know all this?
If you read through the thread, you would find, that I myself had an early term abortion, and I also volunteered at a clinic that performed late term abortions.
I also like to educate myself on the facts of a subject I am passionate about, so I can ensure that I am giving out correct information.
If you read through the thread, you would find, that I myself had an early term abortion, and I also volunteered at a clinic that performed late term abortions.
I also like to educate myself on the facts of a subject I am passionate about, so I can ensure that I am giving out correct information.
You volunteered at a clinic that performed LATE TERM abortions? <<shaking head>> You couldn't find a more worthy organization to volunteer your time to? A homeless shelter, soup kitchen, Habitat for Humanity, anything?
I would think there are many better causes to be passionate about than the ending of innocent helpless lives....
You volunteered at a clinic that performed LATE TERM abortions? <<shaking head>> You couldn't find a more worthy organization to volunteer your time to? A homeless shelter, soup kitchen, Habitat for Humanity, anything?
I would think there are many better causes to be passionate about than the ending of innocent helpless lives....
After experiencing protesters first hand when I went in for my abortion - I became passionate about helping young women in need, it was a VERY worthy use of my time. I was the person that walked them through the throngs of protesters screaming at them while they were terrified. I wore a bright orange vest and got to hope no one would shoot me!
Maybe I just value the feelings and lives of those women over the potential life of a fetus. It was a very fulfilling experience for me.
Guess what? The women aborting for severe fetal defect still had to push their way through the protesters calling them baby killers. Quite sad.
After experiencing protesters first hand when I went in for my abortion - I became passionate about helping young women in need, it was a VERY worthy use of my time. I was the person that walked them through the throngs of protesters screaming at them while they were terrified. I wore a bright orange vest and got to hope no one would shoot me!
Maybe I just value the feelings and lives of those women over the potential life of a fetus. It was a very fulfilling experience for me.
Guess what? The women aborting for severe fetal defect still had to push their way through the protesters calling them baby killers. Quite sad.
By the way, still waiting on that link...
Well, they are baby killers. The truth hurts. Most women I know who have had abortions regret the decision.
I understand what you are saying. I hope you are right that fetus' cannot feel pain. Judging by the death of my own at 20 weeks, it certainly felt like there were death throes involved, and while it can certainly be argued that those were involuntary reactions.....still couldn't be too comfortable an experience for her.
I'm sorry that you lost a wanted pregnancy. You have much company there, I'm afraid...many people who remember what they went through and wish you well.
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Originally Posted by camping!
How much is really known about the brain? Even experts in the field (and I certainly am not one) will agree that the human brain is not wholly understand at this time. And that is all I am saying.
Quite a bit is known about the physical structure and initial development of the brain. It's the details of its operations once it gets going that are the tricky part.
Well, they are baby killers. The truth hurts. Most women I know who have had abortions regret the decision.
Really interesting. As a truth-knower in this area, where did you go to get all the facts sorted out? What reliable sources would you recommend?
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