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Old 10-14-2023, 10:25 AM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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From winning a single-party majority in 2020, Labour’s vote has virtually halved in 2023. Pre-election polls appear to have under-estimated support for National, which on the provisional results can form a government with ACT and won’t need NZ First, despite those same polls pointing to a three-way split.

While the Greens and Te Pāti Māori both saw big gains, taking crucial electorate seats, it has been at the expense of Labour. Special votes are yet to be counted, and Te Pāti Māori winning so many electorate seats will cause an “overhang”, increasing the size of parliament and requiring a larger majority to govern.

There will also be a by-election in the Port Waikato electorate on November 25, which National is expected to win. So the picture may change between now and November 3 when the official result is revealed. But on tonight’s count, the left bloc is out of power and the right is back.
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Congratulations to New Zealand!
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Old 10-14-2023, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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New Zealand is somewhat of a petri dish for the most extreme Leftist policies. It'll be interesting to see how the Left there handles losing power, or what they'll do to try and prevent it. Americans would be wise to pay attention.
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Old 10-14-2023, 10:37 AM
 
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Congratulations to New Zealand!
Eventually a lot of people grew to hate Jacinda Adern’s covid policies.
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Old 10-14-2023, 10:39 AM
 
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Socialism is a very seductive drug for poverty. Once you give it to the population and make them dependent on it, it's hard to take it away. There will be a lot of infighting and a wall against change. I seen it in Latin countries.
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Old 10-14-2023, 02:32 PM
 
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New Zealand is somewhat of a petri dish for the most extreme Leftist policies. It'll be interesting to see how the Left there handles losing power, or what they'll do to try and prevent it. Americans would be wise to pay attention.
Try to prevent what? The election is over.

As it should, the pendulum swings back and forth.

Keeps things balanced.
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Old 10-14-2023, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Try to prevent what? The election is over.

As it should, the pendulum swings back and forth.

Keeps things balanced.
Yes, it seems to go back and forth between the Nats and Labor parties much like is does here in US. Of course the NZ nats are probably more left than the Dems here.
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Old 10-14-2023, 02:38 PM
 
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Try to prevent what? The election is over.

As it should, the pendulum swings back and forth.

Keeps things balanced.
If NZ is anything like the US, the left will learn nothing from these election results. They never do.
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Old 10-14-2023, 02:39 PM
 
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Good for them. Trump could take a dump in public and still win vs. Dumb and Dumber next year.
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Old 10-14-2023, 02:58 PM
 
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If NZ is anything like the US, the left will learn nothing from these election results. They never do.
It’s not.

Politics in the Antipodes are nowhere near as divisive as they are in the US.

Labour lost a lot of seats but there were gains made by both the Greens and the Māori party, adding seats, the “left” in countries with parliamentary systems go beyond your red/blue binary dynamic.

The ruling party in Parliament is a coalition itself.

Although I’m never thrilled when the right leaning parties win it’s ok to balance out a democracy, I’m fine with it, it’s how it should be.

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Old 10-14-2023, 03:02 PM
 
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Yes, it seems to go back and forth between the Nats and Labor parties much like is does here in US. Of course the NZ nats are probably more left than the Dems here.
Probably!

Same thing happens in Oz, between Liberal and Labour, however the Greens and other smaller parties plus many Independent seats in Parliament makes it less of a stranglehold on policy. The smaller parties are certainly making gains.
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