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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.88%
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Old 06-10-2022, 06:30 PM
 
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Russia continues to use the Zap Brannigan strategy of victory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF3g4Ua5e7k
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Old 06-10-2022, 09:02 PM
 
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Todays Update

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Ukrainian officials are increasing the urgency of their requests for more-sophisticated Western-provided weapons systems amid reports of growing Russian artillery superiority.

Russian military authorities continue to struggle with force generation and are facing the consequences of aggressive forced mobilization efforts.
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Ukrainian officials are increasing the urgency of their requests for Western weapons systems due to Russia’s artillery superiority.

Russian forces are continuing ground assaults within Severodonetsk but have yet to secure full control of the city as of June 10.

Russian forces are preparing to renew offensive operations toward Slovyansk and made minor gains to the north of the city.

Russian forces are continuing efforts to cut the T1302 Bakhmut-Lysychansk highway and conducting assaults on settlements near the highway.

Russian troops reportedly took control of the Kinburn Spit in the northern Black Sea, which will allow them to exert further control of the Black Sea coast.
Activity in Russian-occupied Areas

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Russian occupation authorities continued measures to set conditions for administrative control of occupied areas on June 10. Ukraine’s Southern Operational Command reported that Russian-backed political collaborators in Kherson Oblast initiated a new wave of unspecified preparations for a referendum on the annexation of occupied territories directly into Russia.[21] Russian occupation authorities are additionally exerting greater control through the education sector and Russian officials are reportedly planning to retrain teachers in the Donbas using Russian curricula.[22] Advisor to the Mayor of Mariupol Petro Andryushchenko similarly reported that occupation authorities in Mariupol have begun importing Russian textbooks into schools in the city.[23] Despite Russian efforts to consolidate control of occupied areas through educational means, occupation authorities are still largely unable to provide adequate social or medical services for residents of occupied territories, and the medical system in Mariupol is reportedly near collapse as a result of mismanagement by Russian authorities
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Old 06-10-2022, 09:49 PM
 
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Have you seen Grozny today, after Chechens stopped their "radical Islamic state" BS?
You seem to have missed the point. You don't get credit for rebuilding what you reduced to rubble.

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See, Russia is not just "Putin."
We know. Plenty of dissidents dead or in prison.
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Old 06-10-2022, 11:58 PM
 
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You seem to have missed the point. You don't get credit for rebuilding what you reduced to rubble.

Yes you do.
When the other option is leaving the rubble only. And dust.


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We know. Plenty of dissidents dead or in prison.

And a lot of other people in-between.
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Old 06-11-2022, 02:54 AM
 
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Remember Lavrov, the Russian ambassador yukking it up with Trump as Trump handed over classified intel.

He's the tall one on the left. Kislyak is the one on the right.

https://www.npr.org/2017/05/15/52851...te-house-visit

Anyway, reading this morning that Lavrov said with a straight face (and if anyone has a straight face it is this man), that “the war didn’t create the food crisis, Ukraine did."

So there you have it, folks.

SMFH
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Old 06-11-2022, 07:27 AM
 
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Ukrainian military demanded to release them from Azot plant with hostages

RIA Novosti:
Ukrainain military, blockaded at Azov plant along with civilians, demanded exit to Lisichansk together with the hostages, reportsRIA Novosti , citing a source in law enforcement agencies, close to the course of negotiations.
According to the source, at the present time about three hundred military personnel remain at the plant. “They entered into negotiations with us, their condition was to release them to neighboring Lisichansk along with civilian hostages. Of course, this does not suit us, ”said the source of the agency. He added that all the ways from the plant for the militants were cut off.
In addition, there are more than a thousand civilians in Azot's bomb shelters, including plant workers and their families.
Formerly Ambassador of the Luhansk People's Republic (LPR) to Russia Rodin Miroshniksaidthat the military of Ukraine were surrounded at the Azot chemical plant near Severodonetsk and requested negotiations. He noted that for the time being, individual servicemen who put forward conditions for surrender are trying to contact the People's Militia of the LPR and the Russian military.
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Old 06-11-2022, 07:58 AM
 
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Yeah, they desperately needs help. Russian savages are 10 times stronger than Ukrainian defenders.


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Old 06-11-2022, 09:23 AM
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Biden throws Zelensky under the bus, said he tried to warn Zelensky, but he refused to believe all of the invasion warnings and didn'twant to hear Biden pleading with him to prepare.
Biden is such a clown. At least with Trump, you knew his ramblings would usually shoot himself in the foot. Biden is like Alec Baldwin. Never know who he will hit.

Zelensky's comment was that he knew the Russians were coming but underestimated the scale, as did most everyone in Europe. And he asked Biden for sanctions, but Biden didn't want to hear him.
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Old 06-11-2022, 11:34 AM
 
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Biden is such a clown. At least with Trump, you knew his ramblings would usually shoot himself in the foot. Biden is like Alec Baldwin. Never know who he will hit.

Zelensky's comment was that he knew the Russians were coming but underestimated the scale, as did most everyone in Europe. And he asked Biden for sanctions, but Biden didn't want to hear him.
Sanctions are useless when you have countries like France who was selling military weapons to Russia right up until the invasion of Ukraine ignoring the sanctions for taking Crimea. If Putin were to stop further activity and keep the land he has captured France would ignore the sanctions again same thing with Turkey, and India.

This is why Biden had to wait until Russia actually attempted to take Kiev.
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Old 06-11-2022, 11:50 AM
 
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It looks more and more like Ukraine is abandoned by the West. Instead of wavering, the West should provide more weapons for Ukraine to finish off Russian invaders once and for all. They should realize that a loss for Ukraine is a loss for the West as well. A defeat for Ukraine says weapons of the West are inferior to Russian weapons. A defeat for Ukraine gives Russia control of Ukrainian industrial bases and many Ukrainian resources and let Russia dictates who can buy and at what price.

It would be very shortsighted for the West to abandon Ukraine.
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