Ukraine War

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by Redshadowz

I assume you're referring to Girkin? He is the only person I can think of that fits that profile. He has been critical of Putin for quite some time, although his main complaint is not that the war began, but that Putin didn't do more earlier. He wanted Putin to mobilize day one of the war. I would be interested in seeing a full transcript of what he said to understand the context(I don't speak Russian so video clips are worthless).

No, Oleg Tsaryev, a former official in one of the Donbas area governments, but there were others. Here's an article from yesterday that summarizes the various critics, if you want to see names.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/06/w...criticism.html

Andrei Kartapolov, the head of the defense committee in Russia’s lower house of Parliament, excoriated the Defense Ministry for covering up the bad news from the front.

Kirill Stremousov, Russia's deputy governor of Kherson, is another one.

[Adhom]

And there goes the Kerch Bridge. Ever notice modern history is filled with examples of the aggressor nation losing?

[Cloudy Dayz]

Originally Posted by Adhom

And there goes the Kerch Bridge. Ever notice modern history is filled with examples of the aggressor nation losing?

LOL. That bridge was Putin's pride and joy. Unfortunately it looks like they only damaged the rail line and took out two of the four lanes of traffic. As soon as they get the fire out, the bridge will be open for limited traffic. The Ukraine needs long range weapons to take that bridge completely out.

Here is Putin literally hopping and skipping across that bridge in 2018. Today is a sad day for Putin.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRlcmvvoP_8

[cdnirene]

Videos are showing long lines of cars at gas stations in Crimea.

[cjseliga]

Originally Posted by Adhom

And there goes the Kerch Bridge. Ever notice modern history is filled with examples of the aggressor nation losing?

Who's to say Russia didn't deliberately take the bridge out themselves, one to blame Ukraine and keep the war going and try and get some sympathy, then two to say, "see that's why we need a land bridge to Crimea and to annex all of eastern Ukraine because our bridge is out!"

[GotHereQuickAsICould]

Originally Posted by cjseliga

Who's to say Russia didn't deliberately take the bridge out themselves, one to blame Ukraine and keep the war going and try and get some sympathy, then two to say, "see that's why we need a land bridge to Crimea and to annex all of eastern Ukraine because our bridge is out!"

Could have been Russia. They are pretty terrible at this war business.

But things are way past the sympathy stage.

[Cloudy Dayz]

Originally Posted by cjseliga

Who's to say Russia didn't deliberately take the bridge out themselves, one to blame Ukraine and keep the war going and try and get some sympathy, then two to say, "see that's why we need a land bridge to Crimea and to annex all of eastern Ukraine because our bridge is out!"

Russia will get no sympathy from the world for their bridge getting blown up.

[GotHereQuickAsICould]

Ukrainians waited until Putin's birthday to blow up his bridge.

I like their style.

[Redshadowz]

Originally Posted by bu2

Your first paragraph about Texas is totally wrong. I'm a Texan, so you can't push your false history on me.

Maybe you should learn your own history...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Revolution

"The Texas Revolution (October 2, 1835 – April 21, 1836) was a rebellion of colonists from the United States and Tejanos (Hispanic Texans). Colonists and Tejanos disagreed on whether the ultimate goal was independence or a return to the Mexican Constitution of 1824. While delegates at the Consultation (provisional government) debated the war's motives, Texians and a flood of volunteers from the United States defeated the small garrisons of Mexican soldiers by mid-December 1835.... In the early hours of October 2, approximately 140 Texian volunteers attacked Castañeda's force... On October 10, approximately 125 volunteers, including 30 Tejanos, stormed the presidio. The Mexican garrison surrendered after a thirty-minute battle... Morale was boosted on November 18, when the first group of volunteers from the United States, the New Orleans Greys, joined the Texian army. Unlike the majority of the Texian volunteers, the Greys looked like soldiers, with uniforms, well-maintained rifles, adequate ammunition, and some semblance of discipline... Cos received 650 reinforcements on December 8, but to his dismay most of them were raw recruits, including many convicts still in chains... Of the volunteers serving from January through March 1836, 78 percent had arrived from the United States after October 2, 1835... On November 13, delegates voted to create a regular army and named Sam Houston its commander-in-chief. In an effort to attract volunteers from the United States, soldiers would be granted land bounties... Chaos ensued; in Nacogdoches, the election judge turned back a company of 40 volunteers from Kentucky who had arrived that week. The soldiers drew their weapons; Colonel Sidney Sherman announced that he "had come to Texas to fight for it and had as soon commence in the town of Nacogdoches as elsewhere"... Cavalry officer William B. Travis arrived in Béxar with 30 men on February 3 and five days later, a small group of volunteers arrived, including the famous frontiersman Davy Crockett... Travis sent messengers with a letter To the People of Texas & All Americans in the World, begging for reinforcements and vowing "victory or death"; this letter was reprinted throughout the United States and much of Europe. Texian and American volunteers began to gather in Gonzales, waiting for Fannin to arrive and lead them to reinforce the Alamo. Secretary of State Samuel P. Carson advised Houston to continue retreating all the way to the Sabine River, where more volunteers would likely flock from the United States and allow the army to counterattack.... When Mexican authorities received word of Santa Anna's defeat at San Jacinto, flags across the country were lowered to half staff and draped in mourning... Most in Texas assumed the Mexican army would return quickly. So many American volunteers flocked to the Texian army in the months after the victory at San Jacinto that the Texian government was unable to maintain an accurate list of enlistments."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texian_Army

"For the first time, the government of Texas encouraged immigrants from the United States to settle its lands. By 1834, an estimated 30,000 English speakers lived in Texas, compared to only 7,800 of Spanish heritage... The early army was composed predominantly of Texas residents, over 1,300 men volunteered for the army in October and November 1835, with an average date of emigration of 1830... The army suffered significant losses at the battles of the Alamo and Coleto. The provisional government passed conscription laws, which should have resulted in about 4,000 men joining the army. The laws were impossible to enforce due to the fact that most citizens had fled as part of the Runaway Scrape. By the Battle of San Jacinto on April 21, new commander Sam Houston had a total of 1,282 recruits in the army. Of these, about 250 were ill, at camp, or on scouting missions at the time of the battle. The average date of emigration was 1835."

Of the list of "Notable commanders" from that wikipedia... Stephen F. Austin(Virginia), Sam Houston(Virginia), James Fannin(Georgia), William Travis(South Carolina), James Bowie(Kentucky), Davy Crockett(Tennessee), Frank W. Johnson(Virginia), Edward Burleson(North Carolina), Philip Dimmitt(Kentucky), Benjamin Milam(Virginia), William Ward(Georgia), Jack Shackelford(Virginia).


The truth is, a bunch of American immigrants moved to Texas then declared independence from Mexico with the unofficial support of the United States government, which wanted to annex Texas. The United States was officially neutral until the Mexican Government reorganized its Army to recapture Texas. Then the United States intervened causing the Mexican-American War. Where the United States occupied Mexico City and forced Mexico to cede the entire southwest.


The Mexican-American War is pretty much exactly what is going on with Ukraine/Russia, except that at least Ukraine was historically part of Russia, and Eastern Ukraine was historically Russian. Texas was purely the result of invaders wanting land. Even Ulysses S. Grant admitted as much.

[Redshadowz]

Originally Posted by cjseliga

Who's to say Russia didn't deliberately take the bridge out themselves, one to blame Ukraine and keep the war going and try and get some sympathy, then two to say, "see that's why we need a land bridge to Crimea and to annex all of eastern Ukraine because our bridge is out!"

I'm surprised Putin hasn't nuked Moscow to blame America or to show the world that he is capable of nuking other countries. He is a mad man.