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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.64%
No 257 50.69%
Unsure 49 9.66%
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Old 09-21-2022, 05:51 PM
 
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Can anyone explain how this mobilization might work.
Seems to me Putin is doing this to satisfy Russian commies who want him to do this. Seems like he doesn't really believe it will work and will do it to satisfy them.

When the die or run away he will go to these warhawks and try to pull back.
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Old 09-21-2022, 06:10 PM
 
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Russian people protesting Ukraine war, Live.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rEbvNslOSQ
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Old 09-21-2022, 06:43 PM
 
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This link was uploaded a few minutes ago, and works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyCBeymp4Rg
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They got killed in mass numbers, but they kept reproducing. We couldn't get the corrupt Afghan government to fight for themselves, so we got tired of it and left. We did a whole lot better than the Russians did against them. But still the Russians left because they got tired of it too. Now the Ukrainians are fighting for themselves, unlike the Afghans.

The Ukrainians may well defeat and drive the Russians out and not merely outlast them.
Debatable. As opposed to us they gave up after only 10 years. Oh, and to go back to the source, perhaps operation Cyclone was not that successful long term? Lol

P.S. Or too successful?
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Old 09-21-2022, 06:45 PM
 
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Like i said that country needs to be taken out at any cost before it's too late nate.
I trust you are enlisting, Rambo?
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Old 09-21-2022, 06:48 PM
 
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I trust you are enlisting, Rambo?
He is too old my man.
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Old 09-21-2022, 06:49 PM
 
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That is how i always wanted to go before my time is a nuke war or a Cat5 cane.
Yes, but it would be best to be immediately incinerated in a nuclear holocaust rather than be on the fringes and then suffer for days of radiation sickness. Or be immediately drowned in a hurricane. Fast is the way to go.
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Old 09-21-2022, 07:11 PM
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Debatable. As opposed to us they gave up after only 10 years. Oh, and to go back to the source, perhaps operation Cyclone was not that successful long term? Lol

P.S. Or too successful?
You people just run your mouth with nothing to back it up. Probably should just put you on ignore. You aren't adding anything to the conversation.

We were in Afghanistan for 20 years and had 2,500 dead and 21,000 wounded.
Russia had 14,500 dead and 54,000 wounded in 10 years.
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Old 09-21-2022, 07:52 PM
 
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You people just run your mouth with nothing to back it up. Probably should just put you on ignore. You aren't adding anything to the conversation.

We were in Afghanistan for 20 years and had 2,500 dead and 21,000 wounded.
Russia had 14,500 dead and 54,000 wounded in 10 years.
20 years. Period.

P.S. Oh, and there was no Cyclone- like operation. That's a pretty big difference.

P.S.2 Ignore whoever you wish, I don't care.

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Old 09-21-2022, 08:08 PM
 
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The Armed Forces of Ukraine are preparing an attack in TWO directions.

The next two weeks will be decisive.

Judging by the information that comes in, Kyiv, realizing that time is playing against it, and, after Russia's decision to conduct a partial mobilization, is playing very seriously against it, decided to play Vabank.

Taking advantage of the current advantage in manpower, he is preparing in the very near future (account for days, if not hours), two strikes. The first in the Kharkov direction, the second in Zaporozhye.

The purpose of the first strike is to break through the front line and push back the allied forces from the northern regions of the LPR and complete the takeover of the Kharkov region, as well as the Krasny Liman-Kremennaya region.

The goal of the second is to defeat the Russian units north of Melitopol and occupy the city, with further access to the coast of the Sea of ​​Azov.

Kyiv has almost no chance of such a major success, but after the recent events in Russia, it can no longer wait. In a month, all the fields will become impassable as a result of the mudslide, and then the Russian troops will quickly eliminate the superiority of the enemy in manpower, and then only they will advance (in the strategic sense).

Hence the decision. In general, we are waiting for the enemy's blows and remember that we only need to withstand his impulse for a week, a maximum of two. If there is no quick breakthrough, it will mean the end of hopes for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, for a more or less successful outcome of the 2022 campaign and ... agony during the 2023 campaign

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Mobilization is not announced from a good life. It must be admitted that today's grouping is not enough for the set goals. The battles for us have moved into a defensive phase, when there is practically no forward movement. It is insignificant in some areas and is positional in nature. At the same time, there is an acute shortage of shooters, drivers, gunners - motorized riflemen, in a word. I know brigades with 60 infantry left. A fellow military commissar talks about a regiment in which today there are only six attack aircraft in the ranks - people who are ready to go on the attack.

And it's not just about losses. Yes, there are “two hundredths” - the dead, there are “three hundredths” - the wounded. But in the course of this conflict, a new term appeared - “five hundredths”. These are those who refused to carry out the order for one reason or another. Someone corny chickened out, someone honestly said that he could not solve the problem with the means available to him, someone simply had no motivation: "Why die for a foreign land."

Today the situation is changing radically. There are no moral or legal loopholes left for cowardice. We will now live according to the laws of war. And take responsibility for your actions too. For this, new provisions are being introduced in the criminal code - on desertion, failure to comply with orders, looting ... To do this, we will grow new territories in the near future - now there can be no questions about whose land we are fighting for. For yours. And we can't have any illusions. If we give up even an inch, they won't stop. Neither in the Donbass, nor in the Crimea. There is nowhere else to retreat, no one will forgive us for weakness. To understand what this is fraught with, just look at Iraq or Libya.

In a situation where Kyiv does not take into account its losses, having turned mobilization into a permanent process, it will be extremely difficult for us to defeat the enemy without additional forces. Of course, not all 300,000 mobilized in Russia will go to the front. Someone will go to the Far East to replace those who are sent to retake our territory occupied by the enemy. Someone will stand along the border - we will have new 1400 kilometers. But we must understand that our border today is the line of military contact. And this applies to everyone.

On the one hand, we entered one of the tragic periods of our modern history. On the other hand, one of the most heroic. This will be written in history books. And each of those who today with weapons in their hands are fighting for Russia and will still go to defend our borders will be honored in the same way as the heroes of the Great Patriotic War. Defended their state for us. Out of respect for their memory, we have no moral right to lose him.
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Old 09-21-2022, 08:15 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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I found this report on Crimea made in 2019.
It tells the story of how people felt in 2014, what has happened since, and what was happening at the time of the report.
Interesting, interesting stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzO7gIT5GYU
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