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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.72%
No 256 50.59%
Unsure 49 9.68%
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Old 09-25-2023, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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Denys update...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8ayZQrfBug
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Old 09-25-2023, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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I must have him some kind of cord because every time I come back to this site you have some kind of question to me. I don't give a crap about this video. Do you think you are more informed than the Ukrainian General staff? Cause you ain't.
The Ukraine General staff is constantly crying for more/better weapons. They've been whining this entire counteroffensive that it is ridiculous that the west expects them to attack Russian fortifications without air superiority. They're constantly saying if America doesn't give them more money and more weapons, they're going to lose. Zelensky is constantly talking about how if Ukraine loses, American men and women will have to fight Russia. Zelensky recently commented that "Russian mass destruction is gaining momentum." Poland is saying how Ukraine is drowning and it can't afford to give them anymore weapons because it needs them.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...on/ar-AA1gX9cE

If you would just listen to what Ukraine is saying you could figure it out. Instead you huff your daily dose of copium from the ISW, then come here and spam me with more bull**** about Russian attrition.

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Old 09-25-2023, 07:04 PM
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here is how much Russian officers care about Putin's stupid war..lol..



https://www.businessinsider.com/russ...-report-2023-9
Don't know if its true or if its disinformation to sow discord among the Russian forces that already had Prygozhin march on Moscow. But its very interesting. Clearly, Ukraine has a lot of intelligence in Crimea. And those landings a couple weeks ago may have been to plant special forces to be live "drones."
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Old 09-25-2023, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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The Ukraine General staff is constantly crying for more/better weapons. They've been whining this entire counteroffensive that it is ridiculous that the west expects them to attack Russian fortifications without air superiority. They're constantly saying if America doesn't give them more money and more weapons, they're going to lose. Zelensky is constantly talking about how if Ukraine loses, American men and women will have to fight Russia. Zelensky recently commented that "Russian mass destruction is gaining momentum."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...on/ar-AA1gX9cE

If you would just listen to what Ukraine is saying you could figure it out. Instead you huff your daily dose of copium from the ISW, then come here and spam me with more bull**** about Russian attrition.
That's one thing but Ukrainians are crwaling through trenches and making alarming progress through Rusiia's own fortifications. Again....where are the Russians??
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Old 09-25-2023, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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That's one thing but Ukrainians are crwaling through trenches and making alarming progress through Rusiia's own fortifications. Again....where are the Russians??
I mean with ALL those supposed Russians they should be able to stomp this out. Don't ya think?
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Old 09-25-2023, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Lake County, IL
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Rofl, they're talking about who should run the government after the coup. They literally picked the new government.

In short, Nuland was organizing the coup, picking the new government, and showing her frustration with the EU who opposed the coup. She wanted the UN to "glue this thing"(IE to recognize the coup government).

Why are you in such denial? Why does it matter so much to you whether it was a coup? It's not like it was the first coup America has done.
Opyat' 25, goes the russian saying. Who organized the protests in maidan? Who was bringing them food and supplies and stuff, who got them to fight the cops and Yan's militia? That's what chased him out, millions of active Ukrainians were either at the square or supporting the effort to get rid of him. Somehow Nuland got them to do all that?

Well, if she did, good. That would be another example of how America is better than Russia at just about everything. Following your logic, we casually strolled right into Russia's sphere of intimidat...cough, I mean influence, and DUNKED on them.
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Old 09-25-2023, 08:08 PM
 
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ISW Update 9/25/23

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...tember-25-2023

Sep 25, 2023 - ISW Press

The tactical situation in Verbove remains unclear amid continued Ukrainian offensive operations in western Zaporizhia Oblast on September 25. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian forces continued offensive operations in the Melitopol (western Zaporizhia Oblast) direction and offensive assaults in the Bakhmut direction, inflicting losses on Russian manpower and equipment and depleting Russian forces along the entire front line. Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces reached northern Verbove (18km southeast of Orikhiv) but that Russian forces pushed them back to their original positions. Russian sources have yet to directly address a claim from a source reportedly affiliated with the Russian Airborne (VDV) Forces that Ukrainian forces control half of Verbove as of September 24.
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Old 09-25-2023, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Opyat' 25, goes the russian saying. Who organized the protests in maidan? Who was bringing them food and supplies and stuff, who got them to fight the cops and Yan's militia? That's what chased him out, millions of active Ukrainians were either at the square or supporting the effort to get rid of him. Somehow Nuland got them to do all that?
By herself, no. But it wouldn't have happened if not for America. Even the EU was against it because they believed it would lead to war. Same reason Angela Merkel opposed NATO expansion in 2008. She knew Russia would see it as a declaration of war.

https://www.dw.com/en/merkel-stands-...ism/a-61359003

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Well, if she did, good. That would be another example of how America is better than Russia at just about everything. Following your logic, we casually strolled right into Russia's sphere of intimidat...cough, I mean influence, and DUNKED on them.
Whether it is good or not, that is what happened. I would put the decision in the same category as the invasion of Iraq in 2003. If it had worked, everyone would be saying how great it was. But it didn't work so everyone thinks it was a blunder of monumental proportions.

If the Ukraine War works, Victoria Nuland will be vindicated and celebrated. If it doesn't work, well, you don't want to think about what happens if it doesn't work.
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Old 09-26-2023, 02:28 AM
 
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Abrams tanks are here. Ukraine keeps slowly advancing on the Russian defensive lines. And once rain/snow comes in early Nov and things are muddy, so what? Ukraine has the capability now to keep hitting with drones and missiles. Maybe even longer-range missiles now.

Putin ordering his general to stop the Ukrainian counteroffensive by Oct and also that Ukraine surrender or it will no longer be a country.

LOL, Russia is in it for the long haul and will spell the end of the Russian Federation.
It will be the first time the Abrams tank has faced Russian tanks with actual Russian Crews. Not sure if these have the reactive Armor or not. The only issue I see with this tank is the amount of fuel it guzzles.
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Old 09-26-2023, 04:04 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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update from the front...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwHWGBg7H0k
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