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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 198 39.52%
No 254 50.70%
Unsure 49 9.78%
Voters: 501. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-10-2023, 04:44 PM
 
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I wouldn't be so sure. Publications are coming out saying the EU will unfreeze Turkey's EU bid. It's going happen...
Nah. Membership in the EU comes with a laundry list of obligations, quite a few of which Erdogan couldn't possibly stomach. But it IS a nice carrot for him to dangle.
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Old 07-10-2023, 04:54 PM
 
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Nah. Membership in the EU comes with a laundry list of obligations, quite a few of which Erdogan couldn't possibly stomach. But it IS a nice carrot for him to dangle.
I think he knows that, could be just to score some political points inside the country.

Besides, even if somehow they could satisfy all the requirements and obligations (they can't, I agree) I can think of at least two countries that would more than happy to slap a veto
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Old 07-10-2023, 04:58 PM
 
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Soo - with the return of the Azov defenders - another move that must have made Moscow rather unhappy - it looks like Turkey is done trying to play both sides. Always interesting when the fence-sitters start to make up their minds.
Priggy's Rebellion shows Putin is weak. His days as Russia's dictator may be numbered and so may be Erdogan's hedging. Interestingly, these developments follow the Erdogan-Zelensky meeting last week.
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Old 07-10-2023, 05:07 PM
 
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Oh Erasure, you just ramble on and on, blah blah blah, deflect deflect...but the fact is, Ukraine is a sovereign and independent nation.

Remove all Western funding and see how "sovereign and independent" Ukraine is.


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And as that, Ukraine has agency to request training, equipment, and joint ventures with anybody regarding anything, and that includes getting that from NATO members.

If Russia doesn't like that, their agency is to whine about it, refuse to sell gas or whatever, do stuff like that....what they DON'T have agency to do is to launch an invasion.
Apparently that's precisely the agency they've had, and not to just "whining" about whatever they were concerned with.


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If NATO forced itself into Ukraine and forced it to join NATO, then you could talk, Erasure.
I have the "agency" to talk, so my personal opinion is that Ukraine could push for whatever they like, but to be ready for whatever comes as the result of it.



P.S. And oh, regarding that "refuse to sell gas to Ukraine," remember what happened to that pipe when Russia REFUSED to sell gas to Ukraine?

Yeah...Someone had an "agency" to blow it up.



Now whose "agency" that would be?

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Old 07-10-2023, 05:18 PM
 
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1) I never claimed the formula always works. I said when a revolution occurs, it was because of that formula.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsgdN17ZiH0

2) Navalny has to be on the CIA payroll. He was literally doing his part in the RAND corporation plan prior to being thrown in jail. And there are many others like him.

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html

In any case, Arestovich explained how the Russian government might be overthrown in the video I've linked a hundred times.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xNHmHpERH8
Interviewer - Under what conditions can the power in Russia be replaced?

Arestovich - If there is an intra-elite conflict and that part of the elite that believes what is the continuation of Russia's policy of winning the Cold War and the collapse of the EU and NATO there, and in general, being an outcast in the West and fighting with the West is not profitable, and it will gain enough strength to eliminate the group that is set up for the USSR-2 project, then yes.
And Oleg Tsarov talked about what he called "TechCamp" which was training Ukrainian activists/revolutionaries to use social media to manipulate public opinion and to organize protests/revolution.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9hOl8TuBUM

I am aware of all that, since I follow Tzarev on a daily basis - he is one of my favorite politicians out there.

With that being said, I'll repeat my question - "How do you instigate a "color revolution" in the country, that hates its oligarchs and looks with suspicion at anyone connected to big money and the West?"

So with other words, how do you instigate the "color revolution" specifically in Russia?



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3) The NED would gladly give money to Prigozhin to overthrow the Russian government because it would almost certainly lead to Civil War. The Russian elite overwhelmingly do not prefer Prigozhin to Putin.
Right.

But who is going to stick for the current "Russian elite" in this supposed "civil war?"

Truth to be told - "civil war" that's what's going on now between Russia and Ukraine.

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Old 07-10-2023, 05:25 PM
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That pretty much sums it up.
In a nutty conspiracy theorist sort of way. We are insignificant in Syria.
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Old 07-10-2023, 05:31 PM
 
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In a nutty conspiracy theorist sort of way. We are insignificant in Syria.
I have to say, I don't know about the Syria's oil issue but in regards to the weapons what's incorrect.
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Old 07-10-2023, 05:34 PM
 
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Ouch.
Hungry haven't said yes . So just because Turkey said yes doesn't mean that Hungry will say yes as well
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Old 07-10-2023, 05:34 PM
 
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Priggy's Rebellion shows Putin is weak. His days as Russia's dictator may be numbered and so may be Erdogan's hedging. Interestingly, these developments follow the Erdogan-Zelensky meeting last week.

That's my opinion too.

That's why I think that change of power will proceed in Russia smoothly, with no "revolutions."


Putin will just quietly step down as I've already said before.

That's my impression.
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Old 07-10-2023, 06:05 PM
 
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Denys update...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmQuZ9AR4jE
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