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Old 02-02-2022, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Southeast US
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With the recent surge it wouldn't surprise me if there was a bit of a drop in Jan and improvement from there in Feb, but where exactly are these figures coming from? The actual jobs report is not released by the BLS until Friday morning.
while it's Breitbart, it clearly is discussing ADP's estimate. You can use almost any major media source, and they'll have an article. CNBC for ex:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/02/adp-...uary-2022.html

"Obviously" this relates to Psaki's assertion that the report would be "wonky" because people were out with an Omicron "infection". We'd have to see ADP's methodology
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Old 02-02-2022, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Southeast US
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here's the actual ADP report

https://adpemploymentreport.com/

methodology is easy to find ...

in the description ...
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Much of the data processing used in preparing the NER mimics the methodology used by the BLS to calculate payroll employment for the CES report. One difference is that the ADP NER includes any active employee within the company, whereas the BLS tracks employees only if they are paid during the applicable month
their records search relies on the 12th of the month ...
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Most of payroll records are not processed on the 12th of each month - companies often pay workers before or after that date. If there is no recorded employment for a given pay period that includes the 12th, but a record exists for either a later or earlier pay period during the month, we estimate employment for the reference period
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Old 02-02-2022, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Here's another entity I follow (largely for the amusement value) who, like ADP, tries to predict the BLS's numbers before the BLS numbers come out. Their track record is so-so. Their methodology is to track the numbers of job postings on tens of thousands of corporate and government web sites (not, like Indeed.com or any another website that re-posts jobs advertised elsewhere).

They are forecasting 300K jobs added in January:
https://blog.linkup.com/data-seekers...rium-anywhere/
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Old 02-02-2022, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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while it's Breitbart, it clearly is discussing ADP's estimate. You can use almost any major media source, and they'll have an article. CNBC for ex:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/02/adp-...uary-2022.html

"Obviously" this relates to Psaki's assertion that the report would be "wonky" because people were out with an Omicron "infection". We'd have to see ADP's methodology
Just pulled in the ADP report. I did notice looking at past trends and comparing it to the BLS report is it does seem to move more both high and low than the BLS report. For example in December the BLS report showed 199k growth, but the ADP report showed almost quadruple that at 776k. The differences could be related to seasonal adjustments.
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Old 02-02-2022, 10:04 AM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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Default ADP Report: Private Sector Shed 301,000 Jobs in January Under Biden Administration

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Private payrolls fell by 301,000 for the month, well below the Dow Jones estimate for growth of 200,000 and a marked plunge from the downwardly revised 776,000 gain in December. It was the first time ADP reported negative job growth since December 2020.

That’s a shift of over one million jobs net within a single month. Of course, ADP turned out to be wildly off to the upside in December in relation to the official Bureau of Labor Statistics jobs report, which only showed 199,000 jobs gained net in the month. Joe Biden and his administration have to hope that ADP misses as much to the downside on Friday, when the next BLS report will drop.
Link: https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2022...anuary-n445798

The Biden administration continues to unimpress. These numbers are shockingly bad.
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Old 02-02-2022, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte, FL - Dallas, PA
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Funny on how all these projected job reports end up being revised to paint a much bleaker picture than what was expected. Time after time...
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Old 02-02-2022, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Funny on how all these projected job reports end up being revised to paint a much bleaker picture than what was expected. Time after time...
Wrong. At least for the BLS, every jobs report excepting one since Biden took office has eventually been revised UPward.

Data sources are here:
All the latest numbers: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0..._view=net_1mth
Archived releases: https://www.bls.gov/bls/news-release/empsit.htm#2021

Feb was originally 379,000, is now 536,000
Mar was originally 916,000, is now 785,000
Apr was originally 266,000, is now 269,000
May was originally 559,000, is now 614,000
Jun was originally 850,000, is now 962,000
Jul was originally 943,000, is now 1,091,000
Aug was originally 235,000, is now 483,000
Sep was originally 194,000, is now 379,000
Oct was originally 531,000, is now 648,000
Nov was originally 210,000, is now 249,000 with 1 more revision to go
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Old 02-02-2022, 12:33 PM
 
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Onward and upward.

I think it's the employees realizing their job hopping is leaving them with less options. Pretty soon, it's pick a seat or pick a bridge to live under. I seriously am fascinated to see what careers continue on the upswing.
Will it be tech? Construction, medical, trades?
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Old 02-02-2022, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Wouldn't you like to know?
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This is ADP's data, not the BLS. ADP hasn't been very good at predicting BLS in recent years, and as a result I do not post their data.
Well at least you didn't lie about this being the ADP data.
This is a very obvious lie to those of us that stay informed.
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Old 02-02-2022, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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This is a very obvious lie to those of us that stay informed.
Then it appears you aren't really very informed, because ADP has indeed not been very accurate in predicting the BLS numbers. People have been pointing this out for years at this point.
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