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Old 12-31-2021, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Seattle
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Just hang tight. Eventually at this rate it will happen. Just one nice big global government, currency, military, country etc. Problem is it will still be run by the same people who run it now. The 1% who have their interests at heart, not yours.


But just remember, "you will own nothing and you'll be happy" as the famous quote goes.
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Old 12-31-2021, 10:43 AM
 
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Based on my thread "Is America too Broken to Fix?" with the overwhelming response being "yes," maybe it's time to dissolve the union. What would be the effects of disbanding the federal government? Not whether we should or not, but what would happen if we did?

The US was originally created basically to ensure ease of movement, mutual aid and to create a trading block back when the population was around 2.5 million colonists who had a common enemy. It wasn't designed to manage (i.e. dominate) nearly 350 million people who hate each other, with no way forward to any sort of compromise or reconcilliation on most issues.

Frankly I don't think it would affect most of us all that much. The State governments would still be in place doing business as usual. Many states, like AZ, have Constitutions which are based off the original, but are stronger and better written than the US Constitution. Like our version of the 2A "The right to bear arms in defense of self or the state, shall not be infringed." Nothing about militias at all. Because everyone in AZ between 18 and 45 is, by law, a member of the state militia, men and women.

Some states, like CA, TX, FL would have massive military infrastructure and could be threats to their neighbors depending on how federal assets were split up.

Perhaps we could reinstitute a small and very limited federal arrangement for mutual defense (someone needs to control the nukes). But other than over regulation, and criminalizing most of the population with draconian laws and excessive taxation, the federal govt does little for state residents that I can see, except suck the population dry and enact unpopular laws. States already provide the infrastructure, senior services, health and other services. Yes the feds chip in some money, but by doing away with federal taxes the states could implement a new tax structure best for their citizens. And "taker" states would no longer drag down productive states.

We could still implement free transit between states, non-tarriff and foreign trade agreements. The southern border states could finally control their borders and block transit from rogue states like California with unrestricted immigration.

The dollar is probably going away regardless. The federal debt is too great. Rather than let the mismanaged dollar drag us all down the states could either implement a new mutual currency or as China becomes the dominate superpower, simply move to either a gold standard or to digital currency (which like it or not is probably the future).

I'm probably missing a bunch of stuff - so what is your opinion? Yea or nay?

Oh, and Happy New Year!
You're looking at it way too simply.

It wouldn't be something that we barely notice.

If there's no more FEDS making the rich states give the poor states money; why would we continue to subsidize those states? Much of the red states would plunge into economic turmoil. Supplies wouldn't cross borders as easily as they do; and most of this country is supplied through the west coast.
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Old 12-31-2021, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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In the power vacuum, China, Russia, and possibly other countries would swoop in to claim territory using a variety of pretexts to justify their actions.
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Old 12-31-2021, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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You fail to remember you guys put those folks to rule over us. If they messing it up - it’s on some of you. Congress holds the money, nothing moves with out money. We have mostly puppets in Congress. What are you expecting? You let the corporations / puppet masters rule. Until you take money out of the equation- nothing will change.
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Old 12-31-2021, 02:48 PM
 
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You're looking at it way too simply.

It wouldn't be something that we barely notice.

If there's no more FEDS making the rich states give the poor states money; why would we continue to subsidize those states? Much of the red states would plunge into economic turmoil. Supplies wouldn't cross borders as easily as they do; and most of this country is supplied through the west coast.
What would blue states like CA and NY do without their SALT deductions? It would even out. The poor red states in the south would lose their handouts. The wealthy blue states would lose their SALT deductions. But no money would be going to the Feds so there would be plenty of money left over to help those really in need. You don't need a federal bureaucracy to accomplish that.
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Old 12-31-2021, 03:07 PM
 
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In the power vacuum, China, Russia, and possibly other countries would swoop in to claim territory using a variety of pretexts to justify their actions.

You create a NATO like entity with funds from all the states. With the nuclear arsenal. No country will be doing any swooping.
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Old 12-31-2021, 03:10 PM
 
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What would blue states like CA and NY do without their SALT deductions? It would even out. The poor red states in the south would lose their handouts. The wealthy blue states would lose their SALT deductions. But no money would be going to the Feds so there would be plenty of money left over to help those really in need. You don't need a federal bureaucracy to accomplish that.
Why would I volunteer to support southern states?
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Old 12-31-2021, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Why would I volunteer to support southern states?

You already do, by paying all the fat tub of lards, chain smokers lugging around oxygen tanks, meth addicts and other stereotypes you mock, not to work. Great job
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Old 12-31-2021, 03:51 PM
 
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We would have a much, MUCH smaller tax bill. The bulk of social services should be provisioned at the local and state level, NOT federal.
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Old 12-31-2021, 04:35 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Based on my thread "Is America too Broken to Fix?" with the overwhelming response being "yes," maybe it's time to dissolve the union.


That's like saying the since the Titanic has a huge hole in one side, maybe we should rip all the steel plates off the other side too.

Great idea.
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