South African variant can 'break through' Pfizer vaccine: Israeli study (vaccine resistance, have to get the shot again) (injection, suspect)
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Maybe this isn't a big deal for some, but problem is the mrna vaccines especially have less than a full year of data on safety and effectiveness, their tech is totally new at this scale and we don't know long term issues or effects with them, compared to other vaccines that get 10 years or even more of study. So if there is a safety issue with them, maybe it wouldn't show up with just a pair of shots, but if you have to get it over and over again with all these mutants pouring into the US, then the danger might become a lot more severe due to the repeat injections. And now there's a lot of other dangerous mutants too, like that deadly double mutant they said came into the United States from India. Also raises even more questions about the heavy handed moves like shutdowns, clearly if the US is going to have open borders, then new mutants are going to come in and spread anyway, and vaccines even if they help aren't going to solve the problem-- it seems like natural immunity from getting infected and treated would give better protection. Or, maybe a better idea would be to actually control immigration and shut the borders for a while, like they did in Korea to shut down the spread? No more H-1B visas or cheap labor in the USA for a while, but that would seem to be a worthwhile trade to help keep out these deadly mutants that are basically making all these vaccinations into a big waste of money and effort.
Maybe this isn't a big deal for some, but problem is the mrna vaccines especially have less than a full year of data on safety and effectiveness, their tech is totally new at this scale and we don't know long term issues or effects with them, compared to other vaccines that get 10 years or even more of study. So if there is a safety issue with them, maybe it wouldn't show up with just a pair of shots, but if you have to get it over and over again with all these mutants pouring into the US, then the danger might become a lot more severe due to the repeat injections. And now there's a lot of other dangerous mutants too, like that deadly double mutant they said came into the United States from India. Maybe a better idea would be to actually control immigration and shut the borders for a while, like they did in Korea to stop the spread? No more H-1B visas or cheap labor in the USA for a while, but that would seem to be a worthwhile trade to help keep out these deadly mutants that are basically making all these vaccinations into a big waste of money and effort.
So because the vaccines might be a bit less effective against a particular variant, it's better not to get the vaccine? Hence have zero protection.
P.S. for now it appears that they work well against all variants.
I suspect that even with breakthrough cases from variants, your odds of severe symptoms are significantly reduced. A major reason for the lockdown was the possibility of massively overloading the medical services, so even a weakened vaccine can still help (just like it does with influenza). We likely will need to get annual covid vaccines for new variants in the Fall, just like we do with the flu. You can still get sick, but you won't kill your parents in the process.
Maybe this isn't a big deal for some, but problem is the mrna vaccines especially have less than a full year of data on safety and effectiveness, their tech is totally new at this scale and we don't know long term issues or effects with them, compared to other vaccines that get 10 years or even more of study. So if there is a safety issue with them, maybe it wouldn't show up with just a pair of shots, but if you have to get it over and over again with all these mutants pouring into the US, then the danger might become a lot more severe due to the repeat injections. And now there's a lot of other dangerous mutants too, like that deadly double mutant they said came into the United States from India. Also raises even more questions about the heavy handed moves like shutdowns, clearly if the US is going to have open borders, then new mutants are going to come in and spread anyway, and vaccines even if they help aren't going to solve the problem-- it seems like natural immunity from getting infected and treated would give better protection. Or, maybe a better idea would be to actually control immigration and shut the borders for a while, like they did in Korea to shut down the spread? No more H-1B visas or cheap labor in the USA for a while, but that would seem to be a worthwhile trade to help keep out these deadly mutants that are basically making all these vaccinations into a big waste of money and effort.
I think we all knew this was coming. Flu shot every year, Covid shot every year.
But what we need to do is ditch the draconian measures of any sort of lockdown. They don’t work at all.
Social distancing and wearing a mask should be a personal choice. If you want to lock yourself at home, work at home, get everything delivered to your home, never come out, that’s your choice.
I think we all knew this was coming. Flu shot every year, Covid shot every year.
But what we need to do is ditch the draconian measures of any sort of lockdown. They don’t work at all.
Social distancing and wearing a mask should be a personal choice. If you want to lock yourself at home, work at home, get everything delivered to your home, never come out, that’s your choice.
I agree with a lot of this and my wife and I were talking about this very possibility of something like a flu shot before heading off for vacation, but I feel like the analogy is badly flawed when the vaccine is so experimental and we don't anything about the long term side effects or dangers, like with the mrna vaccines. Maybe one or two shots of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines aren't that harmful, but what if there's small but accumulating, slowly building damage with each shot? We wouldn't see it with just one or two shots necessarily, and it wouldn't show up short term or in the clinical trials. But it might start to build up with the need for frequent boosters-- in fact our doctor today was telling us it might have to be even more than just annual, more like every 6 months or even more depending on people's antibody levels.
It seems dangerous to be talking about boosters for an experimental vaccine like this where we really don't know what it does long term. In fact our doctor specifically mentioned something about some research now going on that's worried about the possibility of the mrna vaccine carrier-- I admit I don't really understand it but whatever it is exactly-- getting into the brain and causing long term damage that gets subtly worse with each shot. Apparently there was early evidence even before the trials that a small percentage of the mrna vaccine leaks through the tissue layers that allow it to get into the brain, apparently the clinical trial scientists weren't too worried about it for just one shot, or maybe even two. But if we're talking about having to take that shot again and again, year after year, then how do we know that "small" level of damage from the vaccine getting into the brain is safe? What if it's slowly damaging the brain and other tissues with each shot, and we only see it a few years later after several boosters? We asked this question today and she admitted nobody knows the answer, so it seems to us, the sensible thing to do would be to pause mass vaccination with the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines and do some more detailed trials on what happens with repeated vaccines, to make sure there isn't long term damage a year or two later. This whole idea of slowly creeping damage to the brain and nerves form the mrna vaccines sounds really scary and it seems crazy to keep pushing this vaccine repeatedly with so little knowledge about the long term. And that kind of damage in our opinion seems far more dangerous than the blood clotting issues they paused the J&J vaccines for.
I suspect that even with breakthrough cases from variants, your odds of severe symptoms are significantly reduced. A major reason for the lockdown was the possibility of massively overloading the medical services, so even a weakened vaccine can still help (just like it does with influenza). We likely will need to get annual covid vaccines for new variants in the Fall, just like we do with the flu. You can still get sick, but you won't kill your parents in the process.
Again though, the problem with the comparison to flu vaccines is we don't know the long term affects of a vaccine that's not only so new and barely tested in itself, but uses a tech that is so new with less a year of results, at least on this kind of scale. Our own doctors is warning that the mrna vaccines show evidence of some "leaking" of the vaccine into the brain and even reproductive organs, which can cause some damage there. The scientists said initially this wouldn't probably be a big concern because someone would be getting just one or two doses. But now that assumption is being thrown out the window. If this requires annual booster or even every six months, then those little bits of damage could accumulate. So what happens if we find out 10 years from now that those little bits of damage accumulated to cause mass brain damage or infertility from giving a vaccine with so little testing? That's why the clinical trials need to go much longer before pushing such unknown vaccines with new tech on the public. Especially for younger people.
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