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Old 10-30-2020, 11:45 PM
 
Location: Rome, Georgia
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I think that countries like that can have the policies that they do because they don't have to worry very much about defense. The U.S. and N.A.T.O. give pretty serious attention to global stability, patrolling the trade lanes and keeping down any serious threats. Without American hegemony they would have a lot more to worry about.

I also think that they benefit from American technology and cultural supremacy. Most of the planet doesn't realize how American they have become. The U.S. and its European allies have set the table for the world.

Honestly, I just want to be left alone. I don't want higher tax burdens or so-called "benefits." I want to live my life how I see fit without interference from others who think that they know better. I want to be able to decide when and where I give to charitable organizations. I want decisions made by my local community rather than the Federal Government. I want the government to operate within the boundaries of the Enumerated Powers. I want the government to protect the inalienable "negative" rights of the people to life, liberty, and property, with the people's 2nd Amendment right to defend them intact.
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Old 10-30-2020, 11:50 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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what do you think of Scandinavian Democratic socialism?
Umm, I don't.
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Old 10-31-2020, 02:34 AM
 
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But what if America does it? Don't compare a possible American health care system to the UK version or Canada. We could attack the health care problem the same way we built up the US armed forces. American ingenuity and technology could provide health care benefits to every single person in America without the for-profit health insurance industry as a middle man.

It is a shame that hard working Americans are forced to make a choice between seeing a doctor for that nagging pain in the abdomen or getting the rent paid. Preemptive care could lower health care costs overall as well, as some sick people can't afford the bills once that nagging pain becomes critical, and taxpayers foot the bill.

So what do you say? Why don't we tackle this as a country and make sure that our excellent health care is available to every citizen the American way?
Ok but is there a better chance of that with Biden or Trump?

Trump said at the debate:
“What I would like to do is a much better health care, much better,” ...
“I’d like to terminate Obamacare, come up with a brand-new, beautiful health care.”

Do you believe him or do you think he's just pulling our leg to get votes?
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Old 10-31-2020, 02:34 AM
 
Location: Metro Seattle Area - Born and Raised
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Chalkboard communism... Sounds good in theory, but falls apart once you add the human element/emotion to this mix.

The total Scandinavian population is far less than the Metro New York City area AND more important, you will NEVER get all Americans to pull for one team or ideal... What works or is a good ideal for Portland, Maine will not be a good ideal in Portland, Oregon... Try getting both California and Texas on the same sheet of music!! Not going to happen... Period.

This deal of a Scandinavian Socialism with NEVER work in the United States.... Just like a Western Democracy will never work in most parts of the Middle East.

Just a simple fact of life.

The one thing about socialism/communism that many people like is the ideal of “things” being free... And the bad thing about socialism/communism is that all the “free” stuff ends up costing far more in the end since the truth is that NOTHING is free.
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Old 10-31-2020, 02:37 AM
 
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Chalkboard communism... Sounds good in theory, but falls apart once you add the human element/emotion to this mix.

The total Scandinavian population is far less than the Metro New York City area AND more important, you will NEVER get all Americans to pull for one team or ideal... What works or is a good ideal for Portland, Maine will not be a good ideal in Portland, Oregon... Try getting both California and Texas on the same sheet of music!! Not going to happen... Period.

The ideal of a Scandinavian Socialism with NEVER work in the United States.... Just like a Western Democracy will never work in most parts of the Middle East.

Just a simple fact of life.
and medicare, that has to be done away with also right?
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Old 10-31-2020, 02:46 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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What I think the key ingredient is they are of Scandinavian descent and still for the most part monocultural. You can't make just any system work everywhere.
All true, but it still sucks. It is being tested to the extreme with the Government elitists facilitating the invasion of the Muslim hoards that don't want to assimilate, but essentially rob and pillage.
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Old 10-31-2020, 02:55 AM
 
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I think that countries like that can have the policies that they do because they don't have to worry very much about defense. The U.S. and N.A.T.O. give pretty serious attention to global stability, patrolling the trade lanes and keeping down any serious threats. Without American hegemony they would have a lot more to worry about.

I also think that they benefit from American technology and cultural supremacy. Most of the planet doesn't realize how American they have become. The U.S. and its European allies have set the table for the world.
Look here are the top military budgets in billions


1 United States 732

2 China 261

3 India India 71.1

4 Russia 65.1

5 Saudi Arabia 61.9

6 France 50.1

7 Germany 49.3

8 United Kingdom 48.7

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How does one determine if the is a reasonable amount or if it's too high or too low?
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Old 10-31-2020, 03:26 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Look here are the top military budgets in billions


1 United States 732

2 China 261

3 India India 71.1

4 Russia 65.1

5 Saudi Arabia 61.9

6 France 50.1

7 Germany 49.3

8 United Kingdom 48.7

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How does one determine if the is a reasonable amount or if it's too high or too low?
LOL maybe 500 billion would be adequate?
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Old 10-31-2020, 04:06 AM
 
Location: Heart of the desert lands
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what do you think of Scandinavian Democratic socialism?

If you prefer call them "Social Democratic"
because technically they don't have nationalized industries and are not truly socialist

Basically they have high taxes which enables them to provide comprehensive free healthcare and higher education. They are also democratic and have free market capitalism and private companies.
This has gone on for years and millionaires and billionaires haven't run away due to the higher taxes.

These countries are generally safer and are generally more livable than many parts of the U.S.
So what do you think of these countries system as compared to ours?
The reason millionaires and billionaires have not run away in those countries is because they are not the only ones asked to pay for the very heavy welfare state.
People are taxed very heavily in those countries, all the way down the income chains.
Everybody has skin in the game.

Meanwhile, in the U.S., Dem-Soc types like Bernie, Harris, Fauxcahontas, etc.... keep banging that tired old "Eat the Rich" drum, which has been proven over and over not to work.

Like in Denmark (one of Bernie's favorite Dem-Soc examples) if you are just slightly above the median income, the state takes 60% effective taxes from you. That comes out to be about a 60K per year salary in the U.S. that would have 60% taken in taxes.

Add to it a very heavy VAT on consumption.

https://taxfoundation.org/how-scandi...ment-spending/

If you want to give that much of your money to the state, then by all means lobby for the Dem-Soc "dream" as they do in Scandinavia.

I say no thanks, I'll keep more of my own money to spend as I choose.
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Old 10-31-2020, 07:08 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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what do you think of Scandinavian Democratic socialism?

If you prefer call them "Social Democratic"
because technically they don't have nationalized industries and are not truly socialist

Basically they have high taxes which enables them to provide comprehensive free healthcare and higher education. They are also democratic and have free market capitalism and private companies.
This has gone on for years and millionaires and billionaires haven't run away due to the higher taxes.

These countries are generally safer and are generally more livable than many parts of the U.S.
So what do you think of these countries system as compared to ours?
Their middle class is in the highest tax bracket, something to which Americans will NEVER agree:

Chart: Comparative Top Individual Income Tax Thresholds

Scandinavian and other European countries tax regressively. (Pay careful attention to the scatter plot graph at the link.) Americans, with their severe case of envy and "crab mentality" (pulling others down when they achieve) will never agree to be taxed appropriately to fund "free" national comprehensive health care and higher education.

How Other Developed Countries Tax and Spend (Includes links to the source and research, which includes many more research citations.)
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