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Old 10-25-2020, 04:54 AM
 
Location: Japan
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Calling Beethoven and Mozart by their last names only, while full names are used for POC and female composers is racist and sexist.

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Want to see less racism and sexism in classical music? Stop calling Beethoven by his last name.
https://twitter.com/Slate/status/1320179628066091011

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The lights will dim, and the conductor will walk onto the stage to introduce the program. They might talk about Beethoven, Schumann, and Bartók. And they might talk about Alma Mahler, Florence Price, Henry Burleigh, and Caroline Shaw. Many of us, used to the conventions of classical performance, will hardly notice the difference: “traditional” white male composers being introduced with only surnames, full names for everyone else, especially women and composers of color.
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The past several decades have seen the world of American classical music reckoning with its racist and sexist history; as it has with many other areas of culture, that process has greatly accelerated over the past year.
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When we say, “Tonight, you’ll be hearing symphonies by Brahms and Edmond Dédé,” we’re linguistically treating the former as being on a different plane than the latter, a difference originally created by centuries of systematic prejudice, exclusion, sexism, and racism.
https://slate.com/culture/2020/10/fu...mpression=true

So if we say Johannes Brahms and Edmond Dede, instead of Brahms and Edmond Dede, it will be clear that Dede was just as great a composer as Brahms, or something...

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Old 10-25-2020, 08:14 AM
 
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Slate,Slate lol.Playboy had more news than Slate.
Pick a Youtube channel,any channel and its better than Slate.
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Old 10-25-2020, 08:43 AM
 
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The author...

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Chris White is an assistant professor of music theory at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, where he teaches and researches the ways we form musical expectations, how music is and is not a language, and how we can apply big data techniques to music analysis.
And he looks like a Prince Harry's cousin, so maybe he figures the woker the better for his career.
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Old 10-25-2020, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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UGH and this is news worthy why? Does it really matter? How the heck is Beethoven racist or sexist?



If the average millenial on the street was asked who Beethoven was they would probably say, wasn't he that big dog in those movies?





The guy who came up with this nonsense needs to get a hobby. He has too much time on his hands to dream up these rants.
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Old 10-25-2020, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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The zombies want to destroy everything Human.

Now, music is on their menu.

Covid 19_84
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Old 10-25-2020, 08:56 AM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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I don't think that this one is going to keep me awake at night. I will say that now that OP and Slate has gotten me to think about it, people do tend to call famous men by their last name while famous women usually get referred to by both names. That's sexist?

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Old 10-25-2020, 09:27 AM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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If you are offended by the word Beethoven but are silent about female genital mutilation or thousands of young girls being kidnapped and forced into prostitution in the developing world... you might be part of the Woke Left.
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Old 10-25-2020, 09:34 AM
 
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It seems simple to me. If the entire audience would recognize the composer by only the last name, use it. If not, include the first name.
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Old 10-25-2020, 04:44 PM
 
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UGH and this is news worthy why? Does it really matter? How the heck is Beethoven racist or sexist?
Absolutely it matters. Everything's got to be woke -- every profession, every institution, every scientific discipline, every genre of art and entertainment, every single aspect of our lives.
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Old 10-25-2020, 05:16 PM
 
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Absolutely it matters. Everything's got to be woke -- every profession, every institution, every scientific discipline, every genre of art and entertainment, every single aspect of our lives.
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book has been re-written, every picture has been re-painted, every statue and street and building has been re-named, every date has been altered. And that process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

-George Orwell "1984"
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