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Do you people still not understand that covid is likely going to kill more than 400k Americans in its first year here?
200,000 MORE dead in just 2 months????????
That's a pretty nutty statement
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Originally Posted by atltechdude
You don't really have any basis to say that.
The initial models were 1-2 million dead without mitigation. We decided to avoid that and go with mitigation.
Interesting -- I'm surprised that you Credit President Trump and the Task Force for preventing that 1-2 Million dead from Covid-19 with their Mitigation.
Fear is their most effective tool. Actually, their only tool.
Yep, and they get very angry when you don't play along with their BS. Explains why they hate Trump so much. Just look up video of how a reporter was getting so vicious towards Lil Wayne when he refused to acknowledge racism or BLM.
400K people who are very old and sick, who had 9 toes in the grave already
Nope. Even for a 90 year old life expectancy is another 4 to 5 years. Many of those being killed by the virus would have lived for years if they had not caught it.
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Originally Posted by AnywhereElse
Well, maybe some people needed to start thinking about their health before COVID 19 emerged. Those people need to self-quarantine themselves along with all the others that are fearful. Do you not understand that less than 10,000 in the US died FROM COVID 19 (if testing was accurate, which it isn't), and the others died MAYBE "WITH" COVID 19? I am guessing not. Those tests? A papaya, a goat and a paw-paw all tested positive for COVID 19, so the accuracy is ridiculous.
17+ of the oldest people in the world that survived COVID 19 (and some are REALLY old, over 100):
I do wonder with testing accuracy just how many of the 10,000 actually died OF COVID 19. COVID 19 deaths brought in CARES funds, as did the number of patients supposedly having COVID 19. I have posted and posted this information again and again. "None are so blind as those who will not see."
The papaya, goat, and paw-paw were allegedly tested in Tanzania, by a president who was touting an herbal drink for COVID-19. I would not put too much credence in it.
Yep, some very old people have survived. Some children have not. Your point?
Deaths from COVID-19 are approaching a quarter million. The 10,000 you referred to are just the ones with no underlying comorbidities.
Hospitals get paid for taking care of people who are sick with COVID-19. They do not get paid any extra for deaths. If they tried to claim someone had COVID-19 who did not an audit would catch them. That is fraud, and Medicare fraud can result in high fines and possible loss of participation in Medicare. You can post again and again that CARES funds are being paid for deaths, but it is not true no matter how many times you say it.
The investigation against Dr. Jensen was dropped.
What Dr. Birx explained, and what Dr. Jensen apparently does not understand, is that deaths which, in the best clinical judgement of the person certifying the death, were due to COVID-19, should be coded as COVID-19. Dr. Jensen should understand that. If he has ever put down myocardial infarction on a death certificate without an autopsy being done he has listed a probable or presumed cause of death.
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Originally Posted by bertwrench
First of all, I think that number attributed to Covid is high. Hospitals get paid extra to claim a Covid death. Regardless, what is your solution? Even in Florida (at least where I am at) people are wearing masks and social distancing for the most part. Business are taking extra precautions etc. What would you have us do besides that? Close down again so we can crash the economy even worse? Presidetn Trump was 100% correct when he said that lockdowns and poor economies cause harm too. In his words, "The cure can't be worse than the disease".
No, hospitals do not get paid extra to claim a COVID-19 death. Just stop it!
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Originally Posted by AnywhereElse
It really wasn't as if one was in hospice with 2 weeks to live, and was suspected of having COVID 19, no testing done, that death could be counted as a COVID 19 death.
A lot of people go to the hospital with their health issues, but if they were diagnosed with COVID 19, CARES act paid their bill:
Why would someone on purpose diagnose COVID 19 when it wasn't the case, think CARES Act:
Every time they have extended the "emergency" in our town and state, they have stated the reason to be that without extending the "emergency" they would lose federal funding, not that there was any kind of "emergency".
If your town did that to get funds it did not need it may find itself being told to repay the money it received.
If someone has COVID-19, not just a positive test for the virus, the disease caused by the virus, then dies, that is a COVID-19 death. Any other conditions, including any that resulted in hospice, are coded as contributing factors.
Claiming someone has COVID-19 who does not would be fraud. See above.
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Originally Posted by gailjnh
Highly doubtful that the number of deaths from "covid" over the past 8 months will double in the next four months.
Aside from that, are you aware that approximately 3 million people in the US alone are killed in car accidents every year? And yet we all still go about our lives getting in our cars each day and drive (including myself who's brother died in one of those accidents 36 years ago).
I'm not saying that the deaths don't matter - every death does. But when you put it in context, you can't stop living just because their "might" be a possibility of getting sick or dying. Everything needs to open up and those who are at high risk can choose to stay home. Those of us not at risk need to go back to work and the other aspects of out lives.
If 3 million people died from car accidents each year the number of people allowed to drive would be sharply reduced. The figure for all of 2018 was 36,560.
The problem is that half the adults in the country are high risk. If all of them stayed home there would be not enough people to run the country.
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Originally Posted by warhorse78
With how everything out of the media is this plandemic, and that all the anti Trump ads on TV as well as when Biden attacks Trump using Covid 19 as it's basis, I am convinced now that the democrats, which are part of a much larger world wide scale of an organization trying to radically changed the world, along with the help of China, purposely made up this virus just so they can use it to attack Trump and another world leader that refuses to deal with this One World Order agenda. And it's highly suspicious that this virus got it's start in a part of China that has business dealings with Bill Gates, who has his headquarters in Seattle, and that is where the first outbreak of this virus happened.
So Bill Gates turned the virus loose in his home town?
Whatever you think of Bill Gates he is not stupid enough to unleash a deadly virus where he and his family live.
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Originally Posted by ntwrkguy1
Medical errors -- MEDICAL ERRORS -- kill 400,000 people annually, yet there's no lockdown, outrage, etc.
Cancer and heart disease -- despite having tens of BILLIONS of dollars invested in their study -- consistently kill in excess of 1 million people annually.
No, medical errors do not kill 400,000 people annually. That figure was extrapolated from about three dozen deaths total. It is not even plausible.
Everyone dies. The best we can do is postpone it. Cardiovascular disease will probably always be at the top of the list, but the average age at which it happens will increase.
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Hospitals can easily be overwhelmed, regardless of mortality rate. That means those w/ heart attacks, strokes, severe falls, auto accidents and other emergencies are competing w/ covid patients for care and beds.
The more covid infections out there that can become serious is a threat to the hospital systems, when surges of the virus occur.
Fine. And I agree with you, nobody wants to see seniors at risk.
They can self quarantine.
The rest of us can live our lives.
We can continue to take precautions together as a society. Many younger people get very sick with this virus as well. Not making grandma go into permanent quarantine because some selfish people don't want to wear masks or social distance.
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