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I think the question that should be asked is "How many people under the age of 80 have died only of COVID with no other underlying and immediate potentially fatal health problems?"
So, by that definition, being 10% overweight is not a potentially fatal health problem in the same way that being 150 pounds overweight would be, just as having blood pressure of 140/90 is not as immediately serious as blood pressure of 210/130.
Last edited by katharsis; 10-09-2020 at 02:12 PM..
I think the question that should be asked is "How many people under the age of 80 have died ONLY of COVID with no other underlying health problems?"
How many people who weren't gay died of JUST aids, and not something else is just as important of a number.
IE utterly unimportant. these 210,000 dead people we are discussing are still dead, and would not be if Covid didnt infect them. And we are not counting a lot of folks who died from covid, and were never tested. Just BAM dead of a heart attack it looks like. Someone above mentioned comparing the number of deaths from 2019 to 2010 year to date. And that would have a better chance of being more accurate. But thats a much larger number then 210K is.
But sure keep up the disgusting behavior of minimizing the deaths of 210,000 American citizens.
Not WITH Covid? OF Covid? I know the are purposely distorting the numbers to make Trump look bad and to reimburse the hospitals at higher rates. Just saw a 29 year old who they previously said died of COVID actually did not. So how many have REALLY died of Covid? Anyone know?
According to the CDC, the total number of EXCESS deaths in US since the start of the outbreak (compared to the same period last year) is about 220k. Last several weeks are still not fully accounted for. So highly likely that 220k+ died due to Covid.
Anything else?
I think the question that should be asked is "How many people under the age of 80 have died only of COVID with no other underlying health problems?"
Well that is about 6% of those under 80.
But that's not really the best question. There are many who died because of the Wuhan virus combined with other factors.
There was a British study that only 30-50% of the Covid deaths over the summer in Britain were because of Covid as opposed to dying with Covid. They said the % was higher prior to the summer.
I haven't seen any such study of the US. If there were no Covid how many of the 210,000 would have died anyway?
Nobody knows. 6% died solely of Covid. So would have another 90% lived? Or would it be only 50%?
According to the CDC, the total number of EXCESS deaths in US since the start of the outbreak (compared to the same period last year) is about 220k. Last several weeks are still not fully accounted for. So highly likely that 220k+ died due to Covid.
Anything else?
Only if you count lockdown deaths as due to Covid. Two separate studies said that 25-30 k died just from March to May due to the lockdowns. Things like missed appointments, drug overdoses, suicides,...
How many people who weren't gay died of JUST aids, and not something else is just as important of a number.
IE utterly unimportant. these 210,000 dead people we are discussing are still dead, and would not be if Covid didnt infect them. And we are not counting a lot of folks who died from covid, and were never tested. Just BAM dead of a heart attack it looks like. Someone above mentioned comparing the number of deaths from 2019 to 2010 year to date. And that would have a better chance of being more accurate. But thats a much larger number then 210K is.
But sure keep up the disgusting behavior of minimizing the deaths of 210,000 American citizens.
How can you possibly say the bold? Are you saying that everyone over 80 who died with COVID would still be alive? Insurance statistics would prove otherwise.
And, btw, I am not minimizing ANY deaths -- what I am minimizing is, possibly, the deaths supposedly due only to COVID; and what I am also saying is that we don't know how many of those people who died with COVID would have died anyway with a year due to underlying causes. Some of those people would still be alive and it is sad that they aren't, but the question is, to put it another way would be, HOW MANY would still be alive? I don't know the answer to that, and neither does anyone else.
Last edited by katharsis; 10-09-2020 at 02:23 PM..
212,211 Dead. And you folks are here trying to minimize it. I felt like I should be more accurate because then if this thread is up again tomorrow I can just comment with the new CDC number. People with empathy for others will get to see it go up and up while you folks try to make it somehow not a failure.
979 new deaths since yesterday. about 70 people since this thread was posted.
Why don't you take a quick look at the number of deaths in the US in 2019 and compare with the number of deaths in the US during the first 6 months of 2020. Your answer will be found there.
So what are the numbers. How many people in the US died from January to September in 2019 and how many people have died thus far in 2010.
According to the CDC, the total number of EXCESS deaths in US since the start of the outbreak (compared to the same period last year) is about 220k. Last several weeks are still not fully accounted for. So highly likely that 220k+ died due to Covid.
Anything else?
is that actual deaths or a projected model?
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