Protesters Storm Michigan State House (2015, best, Americans, liberals)
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How can one give a hard date, when the situation is evolving continually? One can only work with the data at hand at any given moment. Do you think data should drive our decisions, or do you think emotions should?
Risk management should be applied here. In a perfect world we would wait till the virus is eliminated. How many academic years in schooling go by in the process? How many construction projects sit shut down, with the construction lending eventually foreclosed upon. Not to mention individuals who can't pay their mortgages and/or rent. Can the lenders and landlords be made to forbear forever?
At some point one must balance risks and rewards. Also, if there is a second wave and the first shutdown goes on too long, do you really expect voluntary cooperation, even by law enforcement?
Risk management should be applied here. In a perfect world we would wait till the virus is eliminated. How many academic years in schooling go by in the process? How many construction projects sit shut down, with the construction lending eventually foreclosed upon. Not to mention individuals who can't pay their mortgages and/or rent. Can the lenders and landlords be made to forbear forever?
At some point one must balance risks and rewards. Also, if there is a second wave and the first shutdown goes on too long, do you really expect voluntary cooperation, even by law enforcement?
How many young/productive/families have had their lives altered for the worse to protect the minority of an elderly at risk population (one that has already lived a full life).
One day the response to this virus will look as stupid,reckless and damaging as the invasion of Iraq in response to 9/11.
Risk management should be applied here. In a perfect world we would wait till the virus is eliminated. How many academic years in schooling go by in the process? How many construction projects sit shut down, with the construction lending eventually foreclosed upon. Not to mention individuals who can't pay their mortgages and/or rent. Can the lenders and landlords be made to forbear forever?
At some point one must balance risks and rewards. Also, if there is a second wave and the first shutdown goes on too long, do you really expect voluntary cooperation, even by law enforcement?
Of course, risk management should be applied. And, as we get more data that we can evaluate, we will be able to apply that logic as well. To say that we can at one moment in time give a certain date for reopening is not possible.
Of course, risk management should be applied. And, as we get more data that we can evaluate, we will be able to apply that logic as well. To say that we can at one moment in time give a certain date for reopening is not possible.
The best analogy I can come up with quickly is a contract of sale. If the contract doesn't close within a specified time, subject to the contingency of purchaser to make a good-faith effort to obtain financing the contract is dead. To quote my employer (he said this in 1987 and I have a bad memory so forgive me) "at some point you have to conclude it doesn't work." One should fix a time to conclude that lockdown does or does not work to accomplish any realistic objective.
The best analogy I can come up with quickly is a contract of sale. If the contract doesn't close within a specified time, subject to the contingency of purchaser to make a good-faith effort to obtain financing the contract is dead. To quote my employer (he said this in 1987 and I have a bad memory so forgive me) "at some point you have to conclude it doesn't work." One should fix a time to conclude that lockdown does or does not work to accomplish any realistic objective.
And, aren't we seeing some openings occurring? We have moved onto a 'safer at home' strategy in Colorado, for example, because we have done a good job of flattening the curve.
And, aren't we seeing some openings occurring? We have moved onto a 'safer at home' strategy in Colorado, for example, because we have done a good job of flattening the curve.
Maybe in Colorado but certainly not in my part of New York. And Chicago just started threatening people who deigned to go outside with arrest.
Maybe in Colorado but certainly not in my part of New York. And Chicago just started threatening people who deigned to go outside with arrest.
From what I have read and heard, even among posters here who exaggerate, that is an exaggeration. People can go out and drive and walk and such. If governors are seeing progress in preventing the healthcare system from being overwhelmed, they will begin to ease restrictions.
From what I have read and heard, even among posters here who exaggerate, that is an exaggeration. People can go out and drive and walk and such. If governors are seeing progress in preventing the healthcare system from being overwhelmed, they will begin to ease restrictions.
In New York, thankfully, no official to my knowledge has threatened people with arrest. In Chicago, Mayor Lori Lightfoot had this to say (link):
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Originally Posted by Mayor Lori Lightfoot
We will shut you down, we will cite you, and if we need to, we will arrest you and we will take you to jail
How dare they want to work to feed their children and not allow Fascist Nazi Whitmer to control what they do, where they go, whether or not they can work, make church illegal while continue the slaughter of the unborn. So proud of these Michgan Patriots civil disobedience!
In reality, these protesters out there in close proximity to one another without personal protection are going to bring the coronavirus home to their children and give it to their mothers for a mothers' day gift.
The fact that none of these things are illegal doesn't make it right.
Taking guns to this protest would be like taking guns to church because one doesn't like the sermon.
Romans 13 New International Reader's Version (NIRV) Obey Those in Authority
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13 All of you must obey those who rule over you. There are no authorities except the ones God has chosen. Those who now rule have been chosen by God.
2 So whoever opposes the authorities opposes leaders whom God has appointed. Those who do that will be judged.
3 If you do what is right, you won’t need to be afraid of your rulers. But watch out if you do what is wrong! You don’t want to be afraid of those in authority, do you? Then do what is right, and you will be praised.
4 The one in authority serves God for your good. But if you do wrong, watch out! Rulers don’t carry a sword for no reason at all. They serve God. And God is carrying out his anger through them. The ruler punishes anyone who does wrong.
5 You must obey the authorities. Then you will not be punished. You must also obey them because you know it is right.
6 That’s also why you pay taxes. The authorities serve God. Ruling takes up all their time.
7 Give to everyone what you owe them. Do you owe taxes? Then pay them. Do you owe anything else to the government? Then pay it. Do you owe respect? Then give it. Do you owe honor? Then show it.
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