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Old 04-11-2020, 05:29 PM
 
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Queens death rate is not reality - like everywhere else they have more cases than testing can keep up with.


Their higher hospitalization rate corresponds with a higher "old people" population.

 
Old 04-11-2020, 05:29 PM
 
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This is a very strange virus. Very odd, how South Dakotans have a lower percentage of ever being admitted to a hospital for diagnosed COVID than a person in Queens dying of it.

South Dakota ever hospitalization rate, those ever hospitalized with COVID is 5.2% (33 out of 626 cases ever hospitalized)

Queens moralty rate rounded to the nearest tenth of a percent is 6% (1,848 deaths out of 31,044 cases)

Queens has a 30% hospitalization rate, compared to South Dakota which has a 5% hospitalization rate.

Wyoming has had 261 cases and is at zero mortality, that will change likely sadly but amazing how Wyoming has had 261 confirmed COVID cases and yet to have one death as afternoon of April 11th.

https://doh.sd.gov/news/coronavirus.aspx

https://health.wyo.gov/publichealth/...nd-statistics/

https://health.wyo.gov/publichealth/...nd-statistics/

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/down...04112020-2.pdf

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/down...04112020-2.pdf

https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/down...04112020-1.pdf
I don't think that you have to look much farther than the numbers and frequency of close person to person assembly and/or interaction.

SD has way fewer people per square foot/mile to start with. And SD does not have so many closely packed transportation venues.

Queens has many more people and most likely many more people with covid 19 complication risk factors.

Also with the relative close proximity of everyone in Queens, that the dose of virus transmitted from one to another might be much higher.
 
Old 04-11-2020, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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But Democratic cities are where most of the jobs are - hence the high demand for housing - which drops the standard of housing people are willing to accept that you despise here.

If you want to be a farm boy and push tracker trailers, South Dakota and Wyoming will be for you. Otherwise, tough luck.
Where the jobs were, it's hard to know where the jobs will be after this. Many, many jobs can be done online exclusively.

Thanks to the internet, a majority of employment can be done in places where people prefer to reside not where the company is located.

With the exception of supply chain, medical, manufacturing, trade transportation utility and a few others a vast majority of jobs can be done from the comfort of ones apartment or house.

California has lost 2,383,000 jobs in 3 weeks or about 14% of their jobs.

South Dakota has about 18,000 jobs in 3 weeks or about 4% of their jobs

https://www.dol.gov/ui/data.pdf
 
Old 04-11-2020, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Gilbert, Arizona
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Where the jobs were, it's hard to know where the jobs will be after this. Many, many jobs can be done online exclusively.

Thanks to the internet, a majority of employment can be done in places where people prefer to reside not where the company is located.

With the exception of supply chain, medical, manufacturing, trade transportation utility and a few others a vast majority of jobs can be done from the comfort of ones apartment or house.

California has lost 2,383,000 jobs in 3 weeks or about 14% of their jobs.

South Dakota has about 18,000 jobs in 3 weeks or about 3% of their jobs

https://www.dol.gov/ui/data.pdf
I mean you can compare numbers all you want, but at the end of the day, there's a reason why California is California.

Instead of just comparing numbers with jobs... think about this. CA's culture is vastly different than SD.

Wonder why CA has Silicon Valley and Hollywood and not SD? There's a reason for that. People - innovators - entrepreneurs drive that and a lot of that can be attributed to CA's culture. There's a reason why people flock to CA for their universities - the famous ones - Stanford, Berkeley, UCLA, etc. There's a reason why all technology companies got their first start in the Bay Area. There's a reason why cutting edge research - medical - technological research is done in California.

This spirit of innovation - driven by culture, is not reflected in your jobs numbers. This is all driven by people which in turn by them electing people to state government that reflects their values and priorities. You cannot put a price tag - or any number on this spirit.

The same can be said for NYC. Each cities have their own culture. You cannot replicate that with hard cash/numbers. It is inside the people. Now if you don't like that and you don't care, fine. But other people do care. If you care about having a nice 2 acre lot with a nicely finished home that costs $150k in Wyoming or South Dakota, then so be it. Not so with everyone else.
 
Old 04-11-2020, 08:52 PM
 
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I mean you can compare numbers all you want, but at the end of the day, there's a reason why California is California.

Instead of just comparing numbers with jobs... think about this. CA's culture is vastly different than SD.

Wonder why CA has Silicon Valley and Hollywood and not SD? There's a reason for that. People - innovators - entrepreneurs drive that and a lot of that can be attributed to CA's culture. There's a reason why people flock to CA for their universities - the famous ones - Stanford, Berkeley, UCLA, etc. There's a reason why all technology companies got their first start in the Bay Area. There's a reason why cutting edge research - medical - technological research is done in California.

This spirit of innovation - driven by culture, is not reflected in your jobs numbers. This is all driven by people which in turn by them electing people to state government that reflects their values and priorities. You cannot put a price tag - or any number on this spirit.

The same can be said for NYC. Each cities have their own culture. You cannot replicate that with hard cash/numbers. It is inside the people. Now if you don't like that and you don't care, fine. But other people do care. If you care about having a nice 2 acre lot with a nicely finished home that costs $150k in Wyoming or South Dakota, then so be it. Not so with everyone else.
Culture has a big part of what attracts people to California. You have also to consider other things. The discovery of gold played a big role in bringing people to California.

Consider why the filming industry went to California. Geography. Westerns were quite popular in the old days. They used to be filmed in New Jersey, but consider this. Southern California, with its canyons, deserts, and scrubland, looks much more like the Old West than lush New Jersey. In fact, before Los Angeles became known for Hollywood, southern California was a major ranching center. It was also a big area for oil production.

Also, California's climates has attracted many people. For those seeking sunshine, Los Angeles and San Diego would be good places. For those who just don't want to shovel snow, southern CA or northern CA will do.

South Dakota isn't a bad place to live. On the other hand, there aren't that many people flocking to live there. The last time there was rapid growth in South Dakota was in the 1880s and 1890s. The land itself was would brought immigrants to South Dakota. Farming and ranching. While South Dakota's population is growing, not many people are moving there. There were fewer people in South Dakota today than there were in Los Angeles in 1930. Many people are turned off my its extreme climate and lack of large cities. While Sioux Falls, the largest city in South Dakota, has growing rapidly, the rest of the state hasn't. Sioux Falls went from being a quarrying/agricultural hub to a banking center, mainly due to lax usury laws in South Dakota. The Center for Earth Resources Observation and Science is located near Sioux Falls. But many people still prefer other states, such as Colorado and California.
 
Old 04-14-2020, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Sigh - now eating their words. - new Hot Spot . Sad
 
Old 04-14-2020, 11:19 PM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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Sigh - now eating their words. - new Hot Spot . Sad
Yeah, Whoops!

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South Dakota, one of five remaining states yet to issue a statewide stay-at-home order, now has one of the largest coronavirus outbreaks in the United States—with 300-plus cases at the world’s biggest pork processor Smithfield Foods, raising concern about coronavirus spreading through processed meat and how South Dakota’s rural healthcare facilities will fare with the disease.

More than 300 workers at Smithfield Foods Sioux Falls facility tested positive for coronavirus, accounting for about half of all statewide cases and making the facility—now closed indefinitely—one of the largest coronavirus hotbeds alongside the U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt and Cook County Jail in Chicago.

~snip~

Smithfield Foods is the world’s largest pork processor with over 54,000 employees, processing meats under their namesake brand and for companies like Nathan’s Famous, Cracker Barrel, Farmland, Armour, Kreschmar, John Morell, Healthy Ones and many more, raising concerns about a shortage of meat across America.
- Forbes

A big shout-out to S. Dakota's Gov. Kristi Noem who refused to put out social distancing guidelines. Next time you go to the grocery store and find the shelves that used to hold pork products bare, thank the Republicans.

Given S. Dakota's low population density, they had to work hard to bring things to the point where they now have one of the major CV hotspots in the nation.

Queens, anybody?
 
Old 04-14-2020, 11:34 PM
 
Location: Denver and Boston
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inane comparison. I don't have the patience to unravel this logic knot.
 
Old 04-14-2020, 11:45 PM
 
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COVID in NY is killing blacks and Hispanics at high rates. How many blacks and Hispanics in SD? maybe white supremacists engineered the virus?
 
Old 04-15-2020, 01:56 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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I was told that the South Dakota governor sort of bragged about South Dakota not being NY.


I wonder what her tone is now. It’s amazing how dangerous people who lack critical thinking can be to other people.


Now she’ll be enjoy being in a empty state that’s a corona virus hot spot.


Don’t speak on things that you have not done research on because history of outbreaks show that you do not have to exclusively be in Manhattan to be in a virus hotspot
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