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Old 05-20-2019, 09:30 AM
 
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If a business finds someone who works well and is productive and reliable, there is no reason (as far as the business is concerned) to check his credentials. That's the way it is presently, and that's why e Verify is ineffective.
Dems didn't make it mandatory. Republicans didn't. So it's never going to be mandatory. Sort of reminds me of gun control laws. Good guys follow the law, scofflaws don't.


Build The Wall. Detain illegals who are caught and make them wait in detention centers.
Who is going to raise the taxes for that and holding people who have not been convicted for a misdemeanor is a violation of the Constitution.

Seems there are a lot of people who do not really care much for or understand the Constitution.
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Old 05-20-2019, 09:31 AM
 
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If enforced, E-verify will eliminate the incentive for nearly all illegal immigrants to enter the country. Coupled fines and a measure that takes away business expense deductions for unverified workers, the flow of illegal migrants out of the country would far outweigh them getting into the country.

However, E-verify is a market-based solution, not a physical wall that you can look at, brand, and use to line the pockets of cronies who own construction firms. Conceptually, it is less appealing to low-information thinkers because of its simplicity. And, unlike the wall, it would actually be effective in curbing illegal immigration. That is why it won't be implemented.

Put differently, E-verify is "not practical" because it would actually reduce illegal immigration rather than act as an expensive symbol designed to appease hard right-wingers while remaining sufficiently ineffective such that the Republican donor class can continue to profiteer off of the backs of illegal immigrants.
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Old 05-20-2019, 09:49 AM
 
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E-verify, a wall etc. are all easily gotten around.

What isn't easily avoided are fines on the hiring companies.
If E-Verify has a 10% chance of Federal passing and Wall (all 2,000 miles) a 2% chance, then fines on Employers has about a .5% chance of happening.

In other words....none of that will happen. It won't happen because it's not the "lib on the street" creating so much immigration, rather it's the Trumps in their offices.

Follow the money. I don't make a dime off illegal workers. They make billions. What's wrong with this picture?
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Old 05-20-2019, 10:45 AM
 
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What isn't easily avoided are fines on the hiring companies.
This would be so simple to implement and to enforce, but they're avoiding the obvious because too many businesses/lobbyists profit off of cheap illegal labor.
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Old 05-20-2019, 11:52 AM
 
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Every rich & connected Republican businessperson & legislator is against E-verify, even though it would do a lot to drop illegal immigration even further.
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Old 05-20-2019, 11:54 AM
 
Location: London
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Typical politician, wants to talk "tough" as long as they don't have to actually walk the talk. Almost all of the elite ruling class secretly WANTS illegals for the cheap labor.
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Old 05-20-2019, 11:59 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Oh, listen to the libs.
They didn't pass mandatory e Verify. But now that Republicans won't do it, they want it, "Just OH, so much!"
Well, maybe Trump will give them e verify and DACA if they approve his immigration bill. Anyone think the Part of Eternal Discontent will go along with that?
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Old 05-20-2019, 12:13 PM
 
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"Guess that explains" your suffering form TDS!

People who ACTUALLY KNOW, do not "guess"!
You’re post doesn’t even make sense.
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Old 05-20-2019, 12:21 PM
 
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E-verify, a wall etc. are all easily gotten around.

What isn't easily avoided are fines on the hiring companies.
Illegal alien steals identity.

Illegal alien passes e verify with stolen identity.

Fine employer for being victim of a criminal.

Makes perfect sense.
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Old 05-20-2019, 12:28 PM
 
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Oh, listen to the libs.
They didn't pass mandatory e Verify. But now that Republicans won't do it, they want it, "Just OH, so much!"
Well, maybe Trump will give them e verify and DACA if they approve his immigration bill. Anyone think the Part of Eternal Discontent will go along with that?
While it is true many liberals take a more dovish approach to illegal immigration, the point is that if we are going to crack down on illegal immigration, we should do so in a sensible and effective way. Building a wall is neither, but implemented correctly, E-Verify would work.

But the truth is that the Republican donor class is not willing to stomach any measure that would actually work in reducing illegal immigration. So instead Republicans distract their base with flashy "anti-immigrant" non-solution projects like the wall that they can use to tout their purportedly Nationalist credentials without actually reducing the flow of illegal immigrants.
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