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Old 02-13-2019, 04:33 PM
 
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It's not up to the USA to judge which country can have weapons to defend itself. And I don't believe that even you believe your rhetoric. You just don't like Iran, because they don't like Israel.
You my friend are living in a dream world.
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Old 02-13-2019, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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You my friend are living in a dream world.
The US has no right to tell other countries what they can and cannot do.
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Old 02-13-2019, 04:43 PM
 
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It's not up to the USA to judge which country can have weapons to defend itself. And I don't believe that even you believe your rhetoric. You just don't like Iran, because they don't like Israel.

What I believe is the proliferation of nuclear weapons has the inevitable conclusion of a nation using them.The true power in Iran lies with the Mullahs, this would be like the US nuclear arsenal being controlled by a bunch of fundies. Neither are reasonable or rational because their actions are dictated by an extreme religious ideology.
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Old 02-13-2019, 04:46 PM
 
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To stop immoral action by US government.
I'd like to hear why either side in this conflict is "moral", I have to admit I have no idea where somebody has moral high-ground in developing ICBM's and nukes though.

P.S. I'd personally be more open to Iran developing nukes if it wasn't for their history of sharing that tech with less responsible parties but oh well.
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Old 02-13-2019, 04:48 PM
 
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U.S. Revives Secret Program to Sabotage Iranian Missiles and Rockets

This story was just in the "breaking news" section.

Excerpt:It goes without saying that "[a]ny prior restraint on expression comes to this Court with a "heavy presumption" against its constitutional validity." See New York Times Co. v. United States, 403 U.S. 713, 714 (1971) (the Pentagon Papers case). In Near v. Minnesota, 283 U.S. 697, 716 (1931) the Supreme Court stated:
Revealing " a secret American program to sabotage Iran’s missiles and rockets" comes close to that line.

And I don't believe that officials should be free to make their own foreign and military policy either.
1) FYI the US did not "revive" that program. It's been ongoing.

2) Our intelligence services often use news sources like the above to INTENTIONALLY release information for whatever purposes they deem fit.

The NYT did nothing wrong here.
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Old 02-13-2019, 05:41 PM
 
Location: TUS/PDX
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What I believe is the proliferation of nuclear weapons has the inevitable conclusion of a nation using them.The true power in Iran lies with the Mullahs, this would be like the US nuclear arsenal being controlled by a bunch of fundies. Neither are reasonable or rational because their actions are dictated by an extreme religious ideology.
'fraid that ship has already sailed...
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Old 02-13-2019, 05:51 PM
 
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'fraid that ship has already sailed...
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Old 02-13-2019, 06:03 PM
 
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'fraid that ship has already sailed...

If that is your belief then you would be as irrational as the fundies.
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Old 02-13-2019, 06:23 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Oh hell, it's the NYT. Odds are the story isn't true in the first place, and if it is, they have been caught lying so many times no one believes them anyway. The NYT, the paper that cried wolf too often.


Like the guy who's been saying for years that Iran was months away from having nukes?
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Old 02-13-2019, 06:31 PM
 
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The US has no right to tell other countries what they can and cannot do.
When they say death to America ,and that means YOU, rebeldor,and a trader gives them Intell. we sure do have a say..
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