Why has the Democratic Party gone mad? (Congressmen, polls, Reid)
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I disagree that fascism is a response to communism, as that is too simplistic and not always the outcome of ideology that opposes communism. Regardless Hitler was in opposition to communists, but again you are only telling one side of the story.
Have you even read Mein Kampf?
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Have you even read Shirer’s “Rise and Fall of the Third Reich”?
I have already posted the video of Democrat Zell Miller and his belief the Democrats had gone off the rails back in the early 2000's.
But here is another example of a lifelong Democrat who is perplexed by what has happened to his party, and he actually ran in the 2016 presidential primaries and said he would not vote for Hillary;
You know, it’s funny how we’ve had the rise of the Tea Party, the alt right, the election of the Mad King for President, Republican gerrymandering, 8 years of Republican obstructionism, Republican stealing of a SCOTUS appointment, yet....the “Democrats” are being accused here of having gone mad.
To be honest, the right has only to look in the mirror for the rise of the progressive left. Democrats have been centrist for years, while the Republicans have yanked the center ever further to the right. Democrats have tried to be conciliatory but to no avail. No matter what any Democrat does they’ll be accused of being “radical”, “socialist”, a “far left loon”. Well guess what? Now the chickens are coming home to roost. You cry wolf enough times, eventually, the wolf comes knockin’ at your door and no one will believe you.
We’re in a new age baby, get ready.
Buying my a $ $ kicking boots now you better get ready comrade socialism is a cancer that is going to get eradicated so bring it on ...
Buying my a $ $ kicking boots now you better get ready comrade socialism is a cancer that is going to get eradicated so bring it on ...
Made me laugh, tough guy. Undoubtedly elements of socialism are involved in your life every single day. Take the best idea no matter where it comes from and incorporate it into your own thing. Idealogs never wind up happy.
Yes, people invading our country who are sick/TB, AIDS, HIV, etc. You would think the Dems talking about health care would think about that if they want to keep our country healthy. You posted it yourself "bringing disease and pestilence----guess you don't read what you post.
I wonder about pronouncements of eminent scholars when it seems as if people who supposedly fit in such categories are enshrined by the left, not the right. The irony of course is that when one of the luminaries goes rogue and starts pointing out inconsistencies, or is critical of the left, they suddenly become persona non grata.
Needless to say historians and scholars will disagree, and an in depth look at Hitler and the rise of the Nazi's paints a different story than the narrative of them being right wing. Just who they purged from power alone and their movement as a socialist workers party belies the truth. Now I have granted they were also nationalists, which is a right wing ideology, but most of Germany were nationalists after the stinging defeat of WWI. It was just a matter of to what degree.
I doubt I could convince you of such things, as those on the left are invested on keeping the fallacy of fascism being a right wing ideology. Yet ask Italian historians about what side the black shirts were on when Italy became fascist.
Regardless, I gave a list of other mass murders such as Mao, Pot, Stalin who were all on the left, and the poster picked out Hitler as if he mitigated how socialists/communists have been responsible for the greatest threat to freedom and civilized human existence.
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Lol, I guess your knowledge of history rivals your understanding of probability theory, as demonstrated in another thread.
Two things:
Fascism is an extreme right wing ideology.
And on probability theory - my 6th grader is covering that right now, so you might want to check your notes from that time.
Lol, I guess your knowledge of history rivals your understanding of probability theory, as demonstrated in another thread.
Two things:
Fascism is an extreme right wing ideology.
And on probability theory - my 6th grader is covering that right now, so you might want to check your notes from that time.
I have no doubt the current curriculum (at least in public schools) implies fascism is only a right wing phenomenon, as listed in a Venn diagram.
However if you look through history you will find fascism can come from both the right or left. Sometimes it is a mixture.
Sure they might call it something else, but the methods, tactics and goals are clearly fascist.
Today's left in America is not only pushing for socialism, but also using fascist tactics to suppress other groups free speech, and demonizing any thought outside of their own.
They want to penalize those who do not conform with their way of thinking with examples ranging from limiting the size of the soda you can drink (i.e. Bloomberg in NYC) to rioting to prevent speakers from expressing conservative views.
They use to be under the tent of the Democrats, but marginalized to a great degree. Now with the Democrats going hard left, they are the new leaders.
Many a normal/moderate Democrat feels as if their party has abandoned them with all the SJW causes and attacks on traditional American values.
The definition of fascism includes right wing. If you want to make up your own meaning to words, you're free to. But as you see here, you won't make headway with anyone else. You're just flat wrong, even if some of the tactics used by authoritarian government, whether left or right, are the same. There's only so many ways to control large populations of people.
As a conservative democrat I agree with some of the rest of what you say. I don't agree that the fringier elements are taking over the party, just that they're presented that way to the right wing news viewer. They've always been a part of our coalition (the 1920's labor movements were their heyday) and we have as much chance to be all out socialists as a country as we did then, which is to say little to none. It's all feared based dog whistling. Similar to the suggestion that Neo-Nazis have any real seat at the table for the RNC.
The left has always been open to using socialist tools (or any tool for that matter) to try and fix problems that capitalism doesn't handle so well. Like education, infrastructure and, we hope, healthcare. But we are capitalists too. Just ask a Euro what they think of the American left and they'll say we're further right than their right wing.
Somewhat true but not true entirely. The real story is that the Christian Right has been highly energized since 2012 over cultural issues like abortion, gay marriage, and our increasingly secular culture. This has resulted in massive turnout for conservatives which we saw repeated in 2018 due to the Kavannaugh hearings, preventing a true blue wave. Meanwhile the Democrats' "big tent" strategy doesn't seem to be working like it theoretically should be.
Goes back further, to 2008. The start of the Count Blackula arc.
The definition of fascism includes right wing. If you want to make up your own meaning to words, you're free to. But as you see here, you won't make headway with anyone else. You're just flat wrong, even if some of the tactics used by authoritarian government, whether left or right, are the same. There's only so many ways to control large populations of people.
As a conservative democrat I agree with some of the rest of what you say. I don't agree that the fringier elements are taking over the party, just that they're presented that way to the right wing news viewer. They've always been a part of our coalition (the 1920's labor movements were their heyday) and we have as much chance to be all out socialists as a country as we did then, which is to say little to none. It's all feared based dog whistling. Similar to the suggestion that Neo-Nazis have any real seat at the table for the RNC.
The left has always been open to using socialist tools (or any tool for that matter) to try and fix problems that capitalism doesn't handle so well. Like education, infrastructure and, we hope, healthcare. But we are capitalists too. Just ask a Euro what they think of the American left and they'll say we're further right than their right wing.
For starters I didn't think there were any of you left in the (D) party.
As to fascism, we must agree to disagree, as you just need to study history to see how examples came from both the left and right. Sure we as Americans might reclassify them as something else, but the people and government themselves felt differently at the time.
Regardless, as this threads topic is about your party, you must admit that your party has gone hard left, despite what some Euros might think (as if most Americans care what they mistakenly think anyway).
Just look at the DNC platform in the 90's when Bill Clinton was president to what it is now. Or listen to your own party members videos I posted of Zell Miller and Jim Webb.
Heck Webb ran for the nomination in 2016, and says he no longer recognizes his own party. He is a moderate, so if you are truly a conservative Democrat, you above all people should know I am spot on regarding how far left the Democrats have gone.
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