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Old 07-07-2018, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Austin TX
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I just returned a week ago from several weeks in Cornwall and Devon. I did not encounter any Trump haters at ALL save for one rude chemist at a Boots who warbled about global warming being on Trump. In fact, I experienced more Brits enthusiastic about his policies (but not his style) more than anything else. It was rather eye-opening. Brits are watching the US very carefully right now, it seems, as they ponder their own future.

I'm sure the cities are full of young progressives oddly full of rage for someone who has no official role in their country's affairs ... but I didn't experience that.
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Old 07-07-2018, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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I just returned a week ago from several weeks in Cornwall and Devon. I did not encounter any Trump haters at ALL save for one rude chemist at a Boots who warbled about global warming being on Trump. In fact, I experienced more Brits enthusiastic about his policies (but not his style) more than anything else. It was rather eye-opening. Brits are watching the US very carefully right now, it seems, as they ponder their own future.

I'm sure the cities are full of young progressives oddly full of rage for someone who has no official role in their country's affairs ... but I didn't experience that.
I don't think rural Devon and Cornwall speak for a lot of the UK, and tbh the visit of a US President has never caused so much controversy or hatred, even George W. Bush did not have the same levels of utter dislike and hatred as Trump does.

The fact he is staying out of the way on this trip speaks volumes.

No doubt he will whip up further anger at the NATO Conference in Brussels before vising Britain, and will no doubt cause further controversy when he goes on to meet Putin in Helsinki. It's certainly going to be an interesting week and a half.
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Old 07-07-2018, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Austin TX
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I don't think rural Devon and Cornwall speak for a lot of the UK, and tbh the visit of a US President has never caused so much controversy or hatred, even George W. Bush did not have the same levels of utter dislike and hatred as Trump does.

The fact he is staying out of the way on this trip speaks volumes.

No doubt he will whip up further anger at the NATO Conference before meeting Putin,.
Just relaying my own actual experience that's based on face-to-face real interactions. Of course it's just anecdotal. But the tone was prevalent in all these interactions. We had a large group of Welsh absolutely pepper us with questions and opinions one evening, and their overall attitude was "Trump's a real see-you-next-Tuesday, but his policies are good for your people, and we wish we had a little more of that here". That sentiment was echoed several times by different people.

It's become so vogue it seems to arrogantly discount the opinions of rural people, but their votes are just as important as anyone else's. It's a grave error, as the '16 election demonstrated, to ignore large demographics of countrymen. Don't be so foolish as to allow the media to tell you what people are really thinking.
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Old 07-07-2018, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Just relaying my own actual experience that's based on face-to-face real interactions. Of course it's just anecdotal. But the tone was prevalent in all these interactions. We had a large group of Welsh absolutely pepper us with questions and opinions one evening, and their overall attitude was "Trump's a real see-you-next-Tuesday, but his policies are good for your people, and we wish we had a little more of that here". That sentiment was echoed several times by different people.

It's become so vogue it seems to arrogantly discount the opinions of rural people, but their votes are just as important as anyone else's. It's a grave error, as the '16 election demonstrated, to ignore large demographics of countrymen. Don't be so foolish as to allow the media to tell you what people are really thinking.
I don't know anyone who particuarly likes Trump, indeed he's not a very nice or likeable man.

In terms of Devon and Cornwall, the counties are home to a big fishing industry and have never liked the EU, as they impose fishing quotas and allowed European fishermen to fish their waters, similarly farmers and other rural types also tend to be critical of the EU.

In terms of tariffs, climate change and Trump on the world stage, he is not popular especially in the cities which heavily on industry and physical trade rather than service industries.

Trump is most umpopular in Germany, but is not well liked throughout the world, and the fact that the British authorities have designed an itinerary that largely avoids appearances in London and major cities speaks volumes.

Saying all that England footbal team are now through to the Semi-Finals of the World Cup and should we get through to the Final next weekend, then most people will have more important things on their minds than Trump's visit.
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Old 07-07-2018, 10:12 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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Hmm.

Seems a small price to pay for what the USA has brought to the UK over the last 100 years. Maybe they'd rather be speaking German or Russian there today instead.
Of course the people who complain are only doing so because it's Trump. If it was Hillary, who would sell them out in a second, there would be silence instead.
No worries. They will be speaking Arabic in a couple of generations. At the very least it will be an official second language.
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Old 07-07-2018, 10:15 AM
 
Location: New Jersey and hating it
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I don't think rural Devon and Cornwall speak for a lot of the UK, and tbh the visit of a US President has never caused so much controversy or hatred, even George W. Bush did not have the same levels of utter dislike and hatred as Trump does.

The fact he is staying out of the way on this trip speaks volumes.

No doubt he will whip up further anger at the NATO Conference in Brussels before vising Britain, and will no doubt cause further controversy when he goes on to meet Putin in Helsinki. It's certainly going to be an interesting week and a half.
Leftists run rampant in the UK (as well as many parts of Western Europe) now. That is why. Has nothing to do with Trump per se. If this was the 80’s before liberalism took over Western Europe, someone like Trump would be celebrated. It says more about Europe and how much it has gone Left than anything about Trump.
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Old 07-07-2018, 11:13 AM
 
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Leftists run rampant in the UK (as well as many parts of Western Europe) now. That is why. Has nothing to do with Trump per se. If this was the 80’s before liberalism took over Western Europe, someone like Trump would be celebrated. It says more about Europe and how much it has gone Left than anything about Trump.
Trump wouldn't be popular at any time, and there has been a history of riots and demonstaration throughout history including the 1968 Anti-Vietnam Riots in London and the Paris riots of the same year. Indeed the US had lots of civil rights marches and Vietnam demos during the 1950's and 1960's and US Cities have had numerous demo in relation to civil war statues, antifa, police killing and Trump in recent years, in fact far more than Europe.

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Old 07-07-2018, 11:23 AM
 
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Can you please keep us updated where Baby Trump will be flying?
That's what I want to know. Trump is so hooked on television coverage, it won't matter how hard he tries to avoid seeing it, he will be mocked on every UK channel with it. The UK can't stand him and didn't want him to come.
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Old 07-07-2018, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Leftists run rampant in the UK (as well as many parts of Western Europe) now. That is why. Has nothing to do with Trump per se. If this was the 80’s before liberalism took over Western Europe, someone like Trump would be celebrated. It says more about Europe and how much it has gone Left than anything about Trump.

It certainly has become a socialist, politically correct Hell Hole in many ways. However, I am sure that a decent amount of the population rejects that, and that is why Brexit occurred. It was a bit of push back against the continuing advance of Statism, and Globalism that the elites want.

The further consolidation of power in the hands of fewer, and fewer. That is why the Left wants to ruin the Sovereignty of the United States through Open Borders. They couch it in humanitarian terms, just like they say yet more, and more gun control is to stop violence. Nothing of the sort. All more controlling policies.
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Old 07-07-2018, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Here and now.
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Just relaying my own actual experience that's based on face-to-face real interactions. Of course it's just anecdotal. But the tone was prevalent in all these interactions. We had a large group of Welsh absolutely pepper us with questions and opinions one evening, and their overall attitude was "Trump's a real see-you-next-Tuesday, but his policies are good for your people, and we wish we had a little more of that here". That sentiment was echoed several times by different people.

It's become so vogue it seems to arrogantly discount the opinions of rural people, but their votes are just as important as anyone else's. It's a grave error, as the '16 election demonstrated, to ignore large demographics of countrymen. Don't be so foolish as to allow the media to tell you what people are really thinking.
It's become just as vogue to discount the opinions of city dwellers. It all depends on one's political affiliation. As for the argument about whose vote counts most, if you want to look at it state by state, in a presidential election, the votes of those in heavily rural states generally carry more weight than those of people who live in more urbanized ones, at least in the US.

I'm not terribly thrilled with contempt for either urban or rural people, but if you really want to go there, there's plenty of blame to spread around.
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