The Incel movement (generations, economic, rates, status)
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You seem extremely sympathetic to the Incel culture and movement.
Curious.
I don't know or care much about that culture. But the societal forces that have created a large pool of resentful young men are interesting and have implications for all of us. Instead of feigning curiosity about my personal motivations, why not actually think about what I've written, and the larger issues involved?
As I've said before, I've had a run-in or two with these incels (though they weren't called that 20 years ago when I was dating). They are insufferable. One of them told me flat out that he'd divorce a woman who would dare to gain weight after marriage. These men are sick.
I know a lot of women who have divorced their alcoholic husbands. Reaching the level of obesity is more or less another occasion for substance abuse that has consequences. This is especially true since what passes as food is really just concentrated chemical extracts. Both are tragic cases of suffering an addition. If you have decided to marry an attractive , ambitious man , do you really think that putting on 25 lbs in the next few years is going to have no consequences?
I'm glad you posted this. Since that nutjob ran over those people and this 'movement' has come to light--so much makes sense now. Especially how Trump got elected.
I seriously doubt that women over 60 spend their time joining other women online to express frustration about finding men for sex and hating the opposite sex. In fact, that is an extremely absurd theory. They are mostly joining book clubs, traveling, working, taking classes, etc.
This is a "I am a bitter angry male who hates women" thing.
Exactly. It's another aspect of the far-right, a group heavily motivated by tribalism and hatred, and I'm sure it's riddled with Trump supporters. Ironically, there's a 100% overlap between the handful of people I know who couldn't get laid if their lives depended on it and who are far-right. Of course, their love of conspiracy theories, hatred of anyone who's different, tendency to complain about everything all the time, constant need to prove themselves "smarter" than everyone else, and utter inability to keep their mouth shut about politics also undoubtedly contribute to their problems as well. Still, all are on the far-right. But since the far-right IS male dominated, that really isn't a surprise... a bunch of angry old men, sitting around in a room, each trying to one-up the other in ways nobody cares about... a GOP or incel convention!
It's about respect for others, a genuine interest in others, being considerate, listening to others instead of using them as captive audiences for whatever your latest oddball interest is, being self-supporting and not whining about how your difficulties are everyone else's fault.
That is the typical list of passive virtues which are uninteresting to most people without the more active virtues of attraction.
I imagine they are hating the game and the players because of the fundamental imbalance you just described. Women in post sexual revolution society still control sex, and are now free to have flings with desirable men if an when they want, even those who are average or below average looking themselves. Meanwhile average men have no access to desirable women. And many men cannot get the time of day from any girl.
What does not controlling sex look like? It's a supply and demand curve, convince the chads of the world to stop banging down. Otherwise there are two organs necessary, each gender has one, how do you legislate that.
Exactly. It's another aspect of the far-right, a group heavily motivated by tribalism and hatred, and I'm sure it's riddled with Trump supporters. Ironically, there's a 100% overlap between the handful of people I know who couldn't get laid if their lives depended on it and who are far-right. Of course, their love of conspiracy theories, hatred of anyone who's different, tendency to complain about everything all the time, constant need to prove themselves "smarter" than everyone else, and utter inability to keep their mouth shut about politics also undoubtedly contribute to their problems as well. Still, all are on the far-right. But since the far-right IS male dominated, that really isn't a surprise... a bunch of angry old men, sitting around in a room, each trying to one-up the other in ways nobody cares about... a GOP or incel convention!
Hordes of hateful men as if there were no counterpart when it comes to women? You do not see this rhetoric as the female analog to the incel?
Not sure what you mean by far right. Do you mean the hierarchal nature of it or the Nazi nature of it? Nazis are socialists that use the same authoritarian tactics that the left would like to use to enforce equality. Are you worried that the libertarian right might leave you alone and let you do what you want? Are you worried that they would merely see to it that you are left alone as well?
Men are fleeing to the right because they see the force of the state is being brought to bare one them. However when I see 23 year old school teachers going to prison for "raping" 17 year olds that is not entirely the case. A good example the the equalist sees this as rape while the equitable unequal side does not.
Hordes of hateful men as if there were no counterpart when it comes to women? You do not see this rhetoric as the female analog to the incel?
Not sure what you mean by far right. Do you mean the hierarchal nature of it or the Nazi nature of it? Nazis are socialists that use the same authoritarian tactics that the left would like to use to enforce equality. Are you worried that the libertarian right might leave you alone and let you do what you want? Are you worried that they would merely see to it that you are left alone as well?
Men are fleeing to the right because they see the force of the state is being brought to bare one them. However when I see 23 year old school teachers going to prison for "raping" 17 year olds that is not entirely the case. A good example the the equalist sees this as rape while the equitable unequal side does not.
what is the women's counterpart to the incels and who have they killed?
And there are a lot of young men who will never escape this mental prison regardless of whatever attitude adjustments they may force upon themselves.
After all feeling rejected by "hot chicks" is a lot easier to accept and makes a common point of resentment to bond with other people over then being actually constantly rejected by "fat" chicks, "ugly" chicks, "single moms" or anything just a little bit less than a 10, which is what happens to the total outcasts who don't pretend to have such high standards.
It's obvious so many people here have no idea what they are talking about as they simply cannot understand life from the perspective of the permanently alienated.
Everything you mention is a symptom of the problem, not the cause.
Some will find a solution, outgrow it, accept it. And move on from the poisonous atmosphere. These people really represents a small minority of a social outcasts as not many people are plowing into pedestrians. I am sure a lot don't even have driver's licenses. And a lot are posting with multiple handles.
Now some of the socially inept can sort of pretend on to connect with other people on small shallow levels such as favorite band or sports team or wrestler or preferred historical period to at least have some sort of group to belong to and a common point of interest other than obsessing over their lack of sex and constant state of rejection and indulging in revenge fantasies.
Those who don't will continue to stew in anger and wallow in the self-reinforcing circle of negativity, alienation and resentment. I am sure the mindset between these people and the average Trump supporter in this group is not all that different in that regard.
Regardless of any attempts at self improvement, the permanently alienated still cannot just cold approach a female anywhere without coming across as creepy or have a big enough circle of friends to naturally attract and draw any sort of female companionship from. The sort of things you can read a fix for in a self help book but never figure out how to actually apply.
How did they do it a hundred year ago? Church? Smaller groups of people? Brute force? Living in an actual community, the kind of which no longer exists in America? High mortality rates refreshing the pool of available humans and weeding out those who can't get with the program?
I don't know. These kinds of people always existed, just in much smaller numbers and no way to find each other or have their low social status constantly hammered in by external forces magnifying the overall hopelessness.
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