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I think part of it is the whole asking for help. That said, I can tell you men don't do this either for a similar reason, it's part of the tough guise. It is like how men talk about fights they won or scars they have fondly. No man admits they got help if they got it and it honestly annoys me and I am a man. Yes I do typically get things easily but I admit when and from whom I learned things. I do think this isn't a STEM specific issue.
I do think another component is what TriT7 stated, the pipeline of women. When fewer women are in the field, it makes it harder to be in the field in the long-term. This ties into another point of people genuinely associating with those who come from similar backgrounds. H1-B Indian workers will typically stick together similar to say former military. And this even plays in with age and gender.
And of course, the overwhelming majority of women who have never pursued a complaint against a co-worker or their employer are losing out.
I've been treated poorly and discriminated against at work for being female but I've never reported it. Any of it. Yet I and other women will continue to lose out because men are cowards.
lol You call men cowards yet you don't report problems? Then you wonder why women will loose out?
A lot of the problems for woman at work are caused by other woman.
I guess I’m just an anomaly then...I have a whole Star Wars kitchen in my house and a game room with art and other things from 30+ fandoms. And I like science.
I'm in Stem, and I personally don't see Star Wars posters or anything "geeky" in the office. It's just a boring looking standard tech office with people of all different types and personalities.
I'm probably not too far from where that Librarian works, and there's a healthy influx of women working in my small subgroup. Our QE is a woman, our latest ME hire is a woman (who was previously an intern reporting to me) and 2 out of 3 of our engineering interns coming in this summer are women. In fact...in recent years, the intern pool was pretty well split between men/women looking for engineering internships. I'd say this trend has improved (in my area) a lot in the last decade compared to when I was in college (1 woman in a class of 75).
I'd guess I'm considered the Mentor for the interns as well as our recent hire. I honestly don't care if you are a man or woman. If you are willing to learn, I'm more than happy to teach you how to do it.
Agreed. One incident does not make a theory. However, maybe it is just the Media cycle we have today, but more, and more we are seeing these things that "trigger" people, and "offend" others.
I suspect it is more that the internet allows for all kinds of 'journalists' (and I use this term loosely).
Yes, I did but it's not to say that I won't help them in a work sense because I do that all the time.
I'm more than happy to sit at someones desk with them, go to a conference room etc.
However, as far as outside of work socializing etc. or being alone with a young lady "working on a project late at night"....um, that would make me uncomfortable to some degree and I wouldn't want to make anyone else uncomfortable either.
I don't say this lightly, I treat people with respect but I've been working long enough, I've heard stories of both harassment as well as misunderstandings and even the rarer false accusation which happened to a friend of mine and a former boss. I've also had friends harassed, one roofied I understand the issue fully from both sides so I'm cautious.
Why the hell would I want to paint a giant target on my back? Because that's exactly what would happen. You think men who are reported for creating a hostile work environment are tossed out on their asses by lunchtime?
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No.
If you turn in a co-worker, YOU are the one with the problem. Women talk, and by the time we're 24-25 years old, we have figured out who HR works for and what happens to women who talk to them about other coworkers: they're passed over for promotions, get less-than-favorable performance reviews, and are hustled out the door at the next RIF.
I have bills to pay, son. And principles aren't gonna pay them.
Why the hell would I want to paint a giant target on my back? Because that's exactly what would happen. You think men who are reported for creating a hostile work environment are tossed out on their asses by lunchtime?
ROFL
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No.
If you turn in a co-worker, YOU are the one with the problem. Women talk, and by the time we're 24-25 years old, we have figured out who HR works for and what happens to women who talk to them about other coworkers: they're passed over for promotions, get less-than-favorable performance reviews, and are hustled out the door at the next RIF.
I have bills to pay, son. And principles aren't gonna pay them.
You think men who are reported for creating a hostile work environment are tossed out on their asses by lunchtime?
If you turn in a co-worker, YOU are the one with the problem. Women talk, and by the time we're 24-25 years old, we have figured out who HR works for and what happens to women who talk to them about other coworkers: they're passed over for promotions, get less-than-favorable performance reviews, and are hustled out the door at the next RIF.
I have bills to pay, son. And principles aren't gonna pay them.
I've seen this particular issue play out numerous times, and IMO it isn't a gender issue. You could swap the genders around and the result would be identical; "HR isn't your friend."
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I understand the issue fully from both sides so I'm cautious.
