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Old 10-24-2017, 07:49 AM
 
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This always baffles me.

Let's assume we live in a complete libertarian society. The property right is upheld; there's no corporate or person income, property or estate tax; the government is minimized to national defense and law enforcement.

Since certain people, like Warren Buffett, and certain companies, like Apple or Google, are good at accumulating wealth, they would be able to buy as much land as possible.

Now what? They'd own let's say 50% of America. Now, everybody who wants to live on their land must comply to their rules:
1. No freedom of speech - remember the Google Manifesto?
2. No firearm ownership - virtually all companies ban firearms on their properties.
3. No health food - hey, Buffett loves French fries.
4. No free competition - it's their land, remember? Comcrapst is all you get.
5. No right wing white people are allowed.

Since the lands are owned by the private entities, It's their land and their rules, right?

Please do not comment if you aren't leaning towards the libertarianism.
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Old 10-24-2017, 08:02 AM
 
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This always baffles me.

Let's assume we live in a complete libertarian society. The property right is upheld; there's no corporate or person income, property or estate tax; the government is minimized to national defense and law enforcement.

Since certain people, like Warren Buffett, and certain companies, like Apple or Google, are good at accumulating wealth, they would be able to buy as much land as possible.

Now what? They'd own let's say 50% of America. Now, everybody who wants to live on their land must comply to their rules:
1. No freedom of speech - remember the Google Manifesto?
2. No firearm ownership - virtually all companies ban firearms on their properties.
3. No health food - hey, Buffett loves French fries.
4. No free competition - it's their land, remember? Comcrapst is all you get.
5. No right wing white people are allowed.

Since the lands are owned by the private entities, It's their land and their rules, right?

Please do not comment if you aren't leaning towards the libertarianism.
Wouldn't even take that much. Buy a few key portions of interstate and they could say, put up toll booths and reject entry for any non electric vehicles. Bam they have effectively made non electric vehicles worthless. The problem with anarchist type arguments is they ignore what history tells us about human nature and how it acts in the presence of power vacuums. Then again, almost any philosophy will begin to fail when you stretch it to its logical theoretical breaking points.
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Old 10-24-2017, 08:36 AM
 
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Wouldn't even take that much. Buy a few key portions of interstate and they could say, put up toll booths and reject entry for any non electric vehicles. Bam they have effectively made non electric vehicles worthless. The problem with anarchist type arguments is they ignore what history tells us about human nature and how it acts in the presence of power vacuums. Then again, almost any philosophy will begin to fail when you stretch it to its logical theoretical breaking points.
That can be easily bypassed.
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Old 10-24-2017, 08:41 AM
 
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This always baffles me.

Let's assume we live in a complete libertarian society. The property right is upheld; there's no corporate or person income, property or estate tax; the government is minimized to national defense and law enforcement.

Since certain people, like Warren Buffett, and certain companies, like Apple or Google, are good at accumulating wealth, they would be able to buy as much land as possible.

Now what? They'd own let's say 50% of America. Now, everybody who wants to live on their land must comply to their rules:
1. No freedom of speech - remember the Google Manifesto?
2. No firearm ownership - virtually all companies ban firearms on their properties.
3. No health food - hey, Buffett loves French fries.
4. No free competition - it's their land, remember? Comcrapst is all you get.
5. No right wing white people are allowed.

Since the lands are owned by the private entities, It's their land and their rules, right?

Please do not comment if you aren't leaning towards the libertarianism.

Warren Buffet would need a private army to enforce his "rules", else he would be hanged from his penthouse.
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Old 10-24-2017, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Originally Posted by lifeexplorer View Post
This always baffles me.

Let's assume we live in a complete libertarian society. The property right is upheld; there's no corporate or person income, property or estate tax; the government is minimized to national defense and law enforcement.

Since certain people, like Warren Buffett, and certain companies, like Apple or Google, are good at accumulating wealth, they would be able to buy as much land as possible.

Now what? They'd own let's say 50% of America. Now, everybody who wants to live on their land must comply to their rules:
1. No freedom of speech - remember the Google Manifesto?
2. No firearm ownership - virtually all companies ban firearms on their properties.
3. No health food - hey, Buffett loves French fries.
4. No free competition - it's their land, remember? Comcrapst is all you get.
5. No right wing white people are allowed.

Since the lands are owned by the private entities, It's their land and their rules, right?

Please do not comment if you aren't leaning towards the libertarianism.
Libertarianism is based on the Non-Aggression Principle, a prohibition against initiation of violence. But this does not prohibit use of force in self-defense, including defense of one's property.

I think it depends on what kind of Libertarian these people are. It's possible one is conflating "libertarian" with anarchy.

I think true libertarian society runs on the principles of private property and the profit motivation and the rights of the individual to own and use what is his.

I think gun owners, right wing white people, junk food eater, etc, etc, should all be pretty safe in a TRUE libertarian society. But a lot of fake libertarians are actually anarchists. So who knows?
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Old 10-24-2017, 08:45 AM
 
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A fallacious argument deserves no reply.
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Old 10-24-2017, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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A fallacious argument deserves no reply.
Actually, op asked a pretty interesting and intelligent question.

If you don't want to answer her question, why bother insulting her? Certainly some of us want to join the discussion.
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Old 10-24-2017, 08:51 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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I don’t see the problem as long as people have an option to live elsewhere. If one person owned all the land, I’d have a problem with that.
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Old 10-24-2017, 08:52 AM
 
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Actually, op asked a pretty interesting and intelligent question.

If you don't want to answer her question, why bother insulting her? Certainly some of us want to join the discussion.
Simply pulling positions out your back side does not make for an intelligent argument.
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Old 10-24-2017, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Simply pulling positions out your back side does not make for an intelligent argument.
Then don't reply.

It shouldn't be hard for you. People like you just want to argue and fight, it seems like. lol

some of us want to join the discussion, you don't. We get it, but why bother insulting the op? sheesh.
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