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Old 01-13-2017, 12:41 AM
 
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They are out of touch, and assume that all people who didnt vote with them are low IQ knuckle draggers. Im an Aerospace Engineer in the Defense Industry. One of the most Conservative industries I have worked in. We are a highly educated group and very few of us vote Democrat and Obama/Hillary specifically. If the Elites and Hollywood personalities really think they are so intelectually superior to anyone they are fools.
Exactly, trump won white college educated white males by a large margin, he won white women and he even won white millennials. The media wants to portray trump voters as in their words " blue collar rural rednecks " and its a pathetic lie. Maybe they just to divert the attention from the racial reality of the trump voters and the great racial divide in this country.

Most trump voters had higher income and had higher education levels than most americans

Blame trumps victory on college educated whites not the working-class

https://newrepublic.com/article/1387...-working-class

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ump-exit-polls

"Far from being purely a revolt by poorer whites left behind by globalisation, who did indeed turn out in greater numbers for the Republican candidate than in 2012, Trump’s victory also relied on the support of the middle-class, the better-educated and the well-off.

Of the one in three Americans who earn less than $50,000 a year, a majority voted for Clinton. A majority of those who earn more backed Trump."
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Old 01-13-2017, 03:31 AM
 
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One area, in which they (the organization) aknowledged a mistake, makes the entire paper trash?
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(1) Not one mistake. It was a long-term strategy to LIE. This has happened often at that paper, including award-winning stories long ago (non political) that turned out to be fabricated.


(2) A strategy is not a mistake, any more than the Ft Lauderdale airport killings could be called a mistake by the killer. Both acts were deliberate.


(3) Since you are unaware, a mistake involves no malicious intent. The Times engaged in lies loaded with malicious intent.
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Old 01-13-2017, 03:44 AM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Elites. Elites think that they know what is best for everyone else and us poor undereducated, less enlightened types need them to do what's best for us. That is the problem with elites regardless of political affiliation or ideology.
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Old 01-13-2017, 04:03 AM
 
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You know what pisses me off? I'm sick of being told because I'm a liberal that I hate laborers, rednecks etc. I grew up in a family of laborers, my husband is a laborer (and a liberal to boot).

But keep putting people into neat little categories. Its the perfect pastime for the intellectually lazy.
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Old 01-13-2017, 04:06 AM
 
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They are out of touch, and assume that all people who didnt vote with them are low IQ knuckle draggers. Im an Aerospace Engineer in the Defense Industry. One of the most Conservative industries I have worked in. We are a highly educated group and very few of us vote Democrat and Obama/Hillary specifically. If the Elites and Hollywood personalities really think they are so intelectually superior to anyone they are fools.
Why do you assume they are all out of touch? I hope you know that many of these people have families and friends who are not in the business.

I would vote red too if I worked in the defense industry in this country. That's a no brainer. Self preservation, amirite?
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Old 01-13-2017, 04:13 AM
 
Location: Former land of plenty
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They are out of touch, and assume that all people who didnt vote with them are low IQ knuckle draggers. Im an Aerospace Engineer in the Defense Industry. One of the most Conservative industries I have worked in. We are a highly educated group and very few of us vote Democrat and Obama/Hillary specifically. If the Elites and Hollywood personalities really think they are so intelectually superior to anyone they are fools.
Oh, yes, the defense industry. Doing a complete 180 degree opinion change of Russia because of what is said on Twitter.
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Old 01-13-2017, 04:27 AM
 
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They are out of touch, and assume that all people who didnt vote with them are low IQ knuckle draggers. Im an Aerospace Engineer in the Defense Industry. One of the most Conservative industries I have worked in. We are a highly educated group and very few of us vote Democrat and Obama/Hillary specifically. If the Elites and Hollywood personalities really think they are so intelectually superior to anyone they are fools.
Being a fool is being outraged about something you made up, no one thinks they are superior to anyone, you want to stay in pennsatucky I don't care just don't try to burn the place down because the only employer in that town is Walmart.
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Old 01-13-2017, 04:34 AM
 
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We need to define the anti-Trump elite carefully.

It is a combination of the following:

Wall Street, government employees and people who look to government to support them or give them advantages, university professors, journalists, "artists", environmentalists, social justice warriors, Silicon Valley, Hollywood and the entertainment industry, and "the establishment" of both the Republican and Democratic parties.

The interesting thing is that *groups that used to oppose each other* are now united:

For example: rebellious rock stars, university intellectuals, environmentalists, social justice warriors, and "serious artists" who consider themselves "anti-establishment", "anti-bourgeois" and "avant garde" on the one hand......and corporations, Wall Street and globalists on the other!

All of them anti-Trump!

How could this alliance take place?

Through what the Marxist philosopher Herbert Marcuse called "repressive desublimation" in which "anti-establishment" impulses become a marketable commodity. That's how.

Once the "rebels against the status quo" become co-opted and richly rewarded by our capitalist system, they trade in their dirty blue-jeans for tuxedos and sequined gowns. Then they look down their noses at the one group that is both not at "their level" but at the same time is stereotypically associated with "unenlightened" views and tastes and that is deemed perennially guilty of racism, sexism, homophobia, etc .

Namely, heterosexual working and middle class white males.

They voted for Trump -- that is, for themselves.

And they can never be forgiven for that!
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Old 01-13-2017, 04:37 AM
 
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Being a fool is being outraged about something you made up, no one thinks they are superior to anyone, you want to stay in pennsatucky I don't care just don't try to burn the place down because the only employer in that town is Walmart.
Anyone who listens to Meryl Streep's rant and thinks that she doesn't look down on other people is deluding him or herself.
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Old 01-13-2017, 04:59 AM
 
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We need to define the anti-Trump elite carefully.

It is a combination of the following:

Wall Street, government employees and people who look to government to support them or give them advantages, university professors, journalists, "artists", environmentalists, social justice warriors, Silicon Valley, Hollywood and the entertainment industry, and "the establishment" of both the Republican and Democratic parties.

The interesting thing is that *groups that used to oppose each other* are now united:

For example: rebellious rock stars, university intellectuals, environmentalists, social justice warriors, and "serious artists" who consider themselves "anti-establishment", "anti-bourgeois" and "avant garde" on the one hand......and corporations, Wall Street and globalists on the other!

All of them anti-Trump!

How could this alliance take place?

Through what the Marxist philosopher Herbert Marcuse called "repressive desublimation" in which "anti-establishment" impulses become a marketable commodity. That's how.

Once the "rebels against the status quo" become co-opted and richly rewarded by our capitalist system, they trade in their dirty blue-jeans for tuxedos and sequined gowns. Then they look down their noses at the one group that is both not at "their level" but at the same time is stereotypically associated with "unenlightened" views and tastes and that is deemed perennially guilty of racism, sexism, homophobia, etc .

Namely, heterosexual working and middle class white males.

They voted for Trump -- that is, for themselves.

And they can never be forgiven for that!
I am sorry but can you trumpets at least cut the communist blaming diatribe out, seriously your candidate populist platform was way closer to communism than free market, asking the government to step in so companies can pay you 20/hr for labor that they can buy at 3/hr is not exactly capitalism. So at least have the decency to look in the mirror.
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