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Old 07-28-2016, 03:36 AM
 
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Of course.

With due process.
"You are no longer needed" is all they have to say.

 
Old 07-28-2016, 12:13 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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A job is none of those things. Can an instructor at a state university be fired before reaching tenure?
Untenured instructors are contract employees. They are not fired; their contract is not renewed.
To fire them before the end of their contract, they must go through a due process hearing.
(They are also considered probationary employees if they are untenured but tenure track, in which case the probationary employee classes I talked about earlier apply.)
 
Old 07-28-2016, 12:15 PM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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"You are no longer needed" is all they have to say.
You keep trying to push this narrative, but it is false. Look at how many steps Mizzou had to go through to fire Melissa Click, and they were _still_ sanctioned, sued, and lost, for not following due process.
(And she was not tenured.)
 
Old 07-28-2016, 12:27 PM
 
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Sounds like you are saying we need to make police officer jobs, contract positions.

O.K. if that is the answer then it is.
 
Old 07-28-2016, 12:32 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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Sounds like you are saying we need to make police officer jobs, contract positions.

O.K. if that is the answer then it is.
Hmmm... that may not be a bad idea, and put them on a tenure track they can achieve, what, in 3 years? 5 years? 7 years? It's an idea worth discussing at least.
 
Old 07-28-2016, 01:35 PM
 
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Cop that pulled the trigger http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/charle...ce-department/
 
Old 07-28-2016, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Self explanatory
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This individual he was caring for is a person with significant behavioral issues, and Charles was specifically chosen to work with this individual as his one-on-one staff, because he is that much of a skilled employee.

He has received extensive crisis intervention training. Unfortunately, our police department doesn’t seem to have received that same training.
ZING, lol.
 
Old 07-28-2016, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Untenured instructors are contract employees. They are not fired; their contract is not renewed.
To fire them before the end of their contract, they must go through a due process hearing.
(They are also considered probationary employees if they are untenured but tenure track, in which case the probationary employee classes I talked about earlier apply.)
In short, you are arguing a distinction without a differences.


the end result is the same, you dont have a ob the next year.
 
Old 07-28-2016, 08:46 PM
 
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Hmmm... that may not be a bad idea, and put them on a tenure track they can achieve, what, in 3 years? 5 years? 7 years? It's an idea worth discussing at least.
Sure, I think it's worth discussing also. I'm glad it was suggested.
 
Old 08-04-2016, 03:58 PM
 
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South Florida therapist sues officer who shot him even though he was unarmed, says civil rights were violated

Florida therapist sues officer who shot him - NY Daily News

It's not real clear but I would hope that he is able to personally sue the officer and not just the police force.
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