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Old 03-27-2016, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I'm completely phased out of any child tax break and I got ZERO time off for my kids (my job --> no work, no pay).

Do you feel better now, op?

p.s. No, believe it or not, I don't envy your supercool reefer lifestyle.
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Old 03-27-2016, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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While many childless people are perfectly happy, most of us who don't have children, wish we did.
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Old 03-27-2016, 07:25 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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Other than the bovine comments, I agree. I have great respect for mothers and fathers, I just don't think I should have to pay for their kids. I would highly recommend the single life to anyone. All marital and parental status discrimination in the tax code should be abolished
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Old 03-27-2016, 07:29 AM
 
Location: US
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I have to agree with West Cobb. You lost me at bovine/cow.

[quote=victorianpunk;43500152].btw, I am absolutely through showing any respect to "mothers" and will refer to those cows by their rightful names, "bovines", for the remainder of this thread. And yes, I did call the abusive, grotesque creature that brought me into this wretched state we call "life" by such names too. But I digress.
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Old 03-27-2016, 07:45 AM
 
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I was recently talking about how parents get all kinds of perks (like paternity leave, tax write-offs, more time off work etc) and how those of us without kids don't get jack. Well, the lady I was talking to went on the usual bovine tirade about how she "needs" those services...btw, I am absolutely through showing any respect to "mothers" and will refer to those cows by their rightful names, "bovines", for the remainder of this thread. And yes, I did call the abusive, grotesque creature that brought me into this wretched state we call "life" by such names too. But I digress.

Anyhow, the bovine went on and on about "I have children and need x,y, and z and you don't need anything else because you don't have any." I asked "well, if I don't get those things, than what do I get?"
"Nothing because you don't need any special services because you don't have kids!" And then I whipped out the finishing move: I said "so...having no kids is enough of a privilege?"

She, like any good cow, looked at me and said "No! You are missing out if you don't have kids!"
Well...if I am missing out, why not any perks for me? She stormed away, having lost the argument.

Yeah, you get more time off if you have kids, pay less in taxes etc. And the reason is obvious and we all know it: if you have spawn, you are at a disadvantage to those of us who understand that little poop-machines are not worth the hassle. Hence you need special treatment to put yourselves on equal footing with us.

It is societies attempt to make breeders equal with those of us who understand birth control. Hence, some inequality must exist. Why not admit it?

And I will even stop my usual family-hating rhetoric to say this: you value your kids. Fair enough. Is it so hard to admit those of us who do not are going to have an easier time in the workforce and in life in general? Even if you do enjoy being a parent for reasons I can't fathom, is it so hard to admit that it is a trade-off?

I can sleep in for as long as I want to (aside from getting up for work) not worry about money and do what I want, when I want to. I can live in a tiny apartment in the middle of a city and not worry about schools or whatever. I can take another job in another city and leave and not care about resettling a clan or runny-nosed screamers and my schedule is mine and mine alone (aside from work)

So honestly, who is "missing out" here?

The other day I walk up at 1pm, smoked some refer (legal here) and went to a bar and then just kind of did...whatever. In quiet. No other human demanding my time or energy. Just me. I think "fambly" people secretly envy people like me, they are just too weak to admit it.

So keep your tax breaks and your paid paternity leave, and your eternal excuse for being late to work that I am not allowed to dispute. I'll keep my disposable income, good night's sleep, and all around fun life.


We both know I am the one who has come out ahead in life.
First for women it is *Maternity* leave, learn the words that define the gender of those you are atttempting to disparage and prove they are the actual idiot........
After that you are missing out on many things not having children and many of those things are not for the faint of heart, whining, poor me I don't get a tax break or maternity leave humans who are too weak to handle all that goes along with being a parent.
What makes you think anyone is *envious* of you or your lifestyle?
What makes you think you are the only one who has *disposable income*?
What makes you think you are the only one who gets *a good nights sleep*?
What makes you think you are the only one who has *an all around fun life*?
It is obvious you cannot *fathom* much if anything when it comes to being a parent, probably a good thing you are not a parent.
As far as being in the work place, even with all of your self admitted life perks, I believe it is questionable that you could run your own business and work any 12 hours of the day you want to become successful.
The last thing I will mention is your use of such words as *bovine, cow, breeders* etc. it shows exactly how immature you really are and it verifies much more beyond that.
All things considered I am glad I am a parent and not someone without children with so many issues to go to professional therapy to work out.
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Old 03-27-2016, 07:50 AM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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Ah, a member of the *I hate kids, therefore I refer to them as spawn and refer to parents as breeders and cows* club!

Your anger-filled post says a lot about you and nothing about people with kids. And, really, it has little to do with perks you feel you're being robbed of.
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Old 03-27-2016, 07:55 AM
 
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I was recently talking about how parents get all kinds of perks (like paternity leave, tax write-offs, more time off work etc) and how those of us without kids don't get jack. Well, the lady I was talking to went on the usual bovine tirade about how she "needs" those services...btw, I am absolutely through showing any respect to "mothers" and will refer to those cows by their rightful names, "bovines", for the remainder of this thread. And yes, I did call the abusive, grotesque creature that brought me into this wretched state we call "life" by such names too. But I digress.

Anyhow, the bovine went on and on about "I have children and need x,y, and z and you don't need anything else because you don't have any." I asked "well, if I don't get those things, than what do I get?"
"Nothing because you don't need any special services because you don't have kids!" And then I whipped out the finishing move: I said "so...having no kids is enough of a privilege?"

She, like any good cow, looked at me and said "No! You are missing out if you don't have kids!"
Well...if I am missing out, why not any perks for me? She stormed away, having lost the argument.

Yeah, you get more time off if you have kids, pay less in taxes etc. And the reason is obvious and we all know it: if you have spawn, you are at a disadvantage to those of us who understand that little poop-machines are not worth the hassle. Hence you need special treatment to put yourselves on equal footing with us.

It is societies attempt to make breeders equal with those of us who understand birth control. Hence, some inequality must exist. Why not admit it?

And I will even stop my usual family-hating rhetoric to say this: you value your kids. Fair enough. Is it so hard to admit those of us who do not are going to have an easier time in the workforce and in life in general? Even if you do enjoy being a parent for reasons I can't fathom, is it so hard to admit that it is a trade-off?

I can sleep in for as long as I want to (aside from getting up for work) not worry about money and do what I want, when I want to. I can live in a tiny apartment in the middle of a city and not worry about schools or whatever. I can take another job in another city and leave and not care about resettling a clan or runny-nosed screamers and my schedule is mine and mine alone (aside from work)

So honestly, who is "missing out" here?

The other day I walk up at 1pm, smoked some refer (legal here) and went to a bar and then just kind of did...whatever. In quiet. No other human demanding my time or energy. Just me. I think "fambly" people secretly envy people like me, they are just too weak to admit it.

So keep your tax breaks and your paid paternity leave, and your eternal excuse for being late to work that I am not allowed to dispute. I'll keep my disposable income, good night's sleep, and all around fun life.


We both know I am the one who has come out ahead in life.
This is a classical rationalization post in a person that could not have children.
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Old 03-27-2016, 07:58 AM
 
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I didn't have an ideal family so I never knew how to pursue the family life but I am content. I enjoy being child-free, but friends who have small kids enjoy their life too. They are always doing things as a family and they can look back and have those memories together.
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Old 03-27-2016, 07:58 AM
 
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I was recently talking about how parents get all kinds of perks (like paternity leave, tax write-offs, more time off work etc) and how those of us without kids don't get jack. Well, the lady I was talking to went on the usual bovine tirade about how she "needs" those services...btw, I am absolutely through showing any respect to "mothers" and will refer to those cows by their rightful names, "bovines", for the remainder of this thread. And yes, I did call the abusive, grotesque creature that brought me into this wretched state we call "life" by such names too. But I digress.

Anyhow, the bovine went on and on about "I have children and need x,y, and z and you don't need anything else because you don't have any." I asked "well, if I don't get those things, than what do I get?"
"Nothing because you don't need any special services because you don't have kids!" And then I whipped out the finishing move: I said "so...having no kids is enough of a privilege?"

She, like any good cow, looked at me and said "No! You are missing out if you don't have kids!"
Well...if I am missing out, why not any perks for me? She stormed away, having lost the argument.

Yeah, you get more time off if you have kids, pay less in taxes etc. And the reason is obvious and we all know it: if you have spawn, you are at a disadvantage to those of us who understand that little poop-machines are not worth the hassle. Hence you need special treatment to put yourselves on equal footing with us.

It is societies attempt to make breeders equal with those of us who understand birth control. Hence, some inequality must exist. Why not admit it?

And I will even stop my usual family-hating rhetoric to say this: you value your kids. Fair enough. Is it so hard to admit those of us who do not are going to have an easier time in the workforce and in life in general? Even if you do enjoy being a parent for reasons I can't fathom, is it so hard to admit that it is a trade-off?

I can sleep in for as long as I want to (aside from getting up for work) not worry about money and do what I want, when I want to. I can live in a tiny apartment in the middle of a city and not worry about schools or whatever. I can take another job in another city and leave and not care about resettling a clan or runny-nosed screamers and my schedule is mine and mine alone (aside from work)

So honestly, who is "missing out" here?

The other day I walk up at 1pm, smoked some refer (legal here) and went to a bar and then just kind of did...whatever. In quiet. No other human demanding my time or energy. Just me. I think "fambly" people secretly envy people like me, they are just too weak to admit it.

So keep your tax breaks and your paid paternity leave, and your eternal excuse for being late to work that I am not allowed to dispute. I'll keep my disposable income, good night's sleep, and all around fun life.


We both know I am the one who has come out ahead in life.
You're not missing out on anything. You should never have kids. Who knows if you might turn into a cow or an abusive grotesque creature just like your mother?
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Old 03-27-2016, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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went on and on about "I have children and need x,y, and z and you don't need anything else because you don't have any." I asked "well, if I don't get those things, than what do I get?"
"Nothing because you don't need any special services because you don't have kids!" And then I whipped out the finishing move: I said "so...having no kids is enough of a privilege?"

She, like any good cow, looked at me and said "No! You are missing out if you don't have kids!" .
Obviously, she started this whole astonishing sense of entitlement non-sense. How does she know that just because you don't have any children, you don't need the equivalent of maternity leave?

How does she know that you are missing out simply because YOU made different choice?

This said, should a couple with no kids pay the same taxes as a couple with 4 kids in the public school system? Should Americans with No Kids Be Able “Opt-Out” of School Taxes?

I see what you are saying here, op.

I never thought about having my own children until recently. So I understand why some people chose not to have children. I want my own children in the future, but I do feel there is a stigma associated with childless people. "that missing out" " you don't deserve anything because you don't have children" Oh, get this "you are selfish" b.s. certainly is getting old. People obviously make different choices in life.

Although I would not have described her as a good cow, she sure started this whole thing.
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