Alternatives to Affirmative Action? (employment, racism, Obama, March)
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Honestly, affirmative-action was never really necessary to begin with. It was the result of the class-warfare politics of Democracy. It was just politicians pandering to minorities for votes. And if you look at the actual history of the race income/wealth gap, it was narrowing much more quickly before the so-called Civil-Rights movement, than after. In fact, the race wealth gap is greater now than it was before the 1960's. And prior to the rise of liberalism, the black unemployment rate was actually lower than the white unemployment rate.
Furthermore, everyone who is so obsessed with money, is downright pathetic. The income/wealth gap between evangelical Christians and Jews, is far larger than the income/wealth gap between whites and blacks.
Differences in income between groups, is the rule, not the exception. Yet, we only obsess about the black/white gap. Why? Because it is useful politically, not because it is "right".
Hi, wondering what you feeling is on eliminating affirmative action? I feel the only protected class by affirmative action should be Indians living on Reservations in America; should be open to free education most definitely. Additionally, job's/college's so forth should not ask your race. However, do feel gender should be asked and should keep at least a balance of 40/60 to 50/50. Shouldn't be more than a 20% gap difference of people of a certain gender.
Feel job's/college' should be based off merit and the top 10%/20%.
What's your thoughts?
It seems you misunderstood the original goal of affirmative action. Affirmative action was enacted to prohibit employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, and national origin. President Lyndon B. Johnson enacted affirmative action not because of native american plight, but because of the lack of moral character among white white supremacists that in-turn held the black man down. Even though affirmative action helped Native Americans & women among others, it was primarily enacted because of the white supremacists opposition to civil rights in the 1960s...
In a free society employers can discriminate at will
We're not truly a "free society". Our society is governed by accepted social norms. And discrimination is not, should not, and will not be tolerated regardless of perceived property rights and ownership.
We're not truly a "free society". Our society is governed by accepted social norms. And discrimination is not, should not, and will not be tolerated regardless of perceived property rights and ownership.
Everyone discriminates, every day of their lives. Some forms of discrimination are legally-sanctioned, while others are not.
The supposed hatred of discrimination, is nothing but a Pavlovian response, by people who have been indoctrinated by their government, practically from birth. And who somewhat ironically, don't seem to realize that affirmative-action is itself a form of discrimination.
There should be Affirmative Action, and it should apply to all US Citizens.
Currently when a person on a visa and a US citizen apply for a job, there is no policy that states that with everything else being equal, a US Citizen should get priority over the candidate on any type of visa. This needs to change. Affirmative Action is needed for all US Citizens.
I generally oppose affirmative action because it's based on erroneous assumptions, corrupted in practice, reduces responsibility for ones success and failure, and infringes on free choice and freedom association. I can accept affirmative action limited in the number of protected class to race and sex only, and only applying to US citizens (provided it wasn't due to being an anchor baby).
Everyone discriminates, every day of their lives. Some forms of discrimination are legally-sanctioned, while others are not.
The supposed hatred of discrimination, is nothing but a Pavlovian response, by people who have been indoctrinated by their government, practically from birth. And who somewhat ironically, don't seem to realize that affirmative-action is itself a form of discrimination.
I wouldn't say everyone discriminates, but most people have their prejudices. Discrimination starts when someone's prejudices are acted upon in a manor in which someone else is negatively affected.
As for you describing affirmative action as discrimination, we're going to have to agree to disagree. Affirmative Action grants special consideration to minorities & women that have been historically excluded in America. Special consideration for select qualified individuals does not take away from the whole; it actually enhances it..
Look at it like this. If there was never any discrimination in regards to education and employment, affirmative action would have never been needed.. So instead of attacking the policies put in place to correct historical injustices, how about attacking the culture, attitudes, and actions that allowed discrimination to disproportionately affect minorities and women... Just a thought...
I wouldn't say everyone discriminates, but most people have their prejudices. Discrimination starts when someone's prejudices are acted upon in a manor when someone else is negatively affected.
Look, any time you choose one thing over another, it negatively affects the thing you didn't choose. This applies not only to jobs, and relationships, but even purchases. When you choose to "Buy American", you are discriminating. But that is a form of discrimination that is not only legally-sanctioned, but actively encouraged.
When you don't want to date overweight women, you are discriminating against them. When you don't want to date or hire someone without a college degree, you are discriminating.
As I said, every single day of our lives, we are discriminating constantly. So what?
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As for you describing affirmative action as discrimination, we're going to have to agree to disagree. Affirmative Action grants special consideration to minorities & women that have been historically excluded in America. Special consideration for select qualified individuals does not take away from the whole; it actually enhances it..
If you have a job, and you can give that job either to a white man, or a black man, and you choose the black man, as the result of "special consideration"(not because of qualifications), you are not only taking away from the whole(putting people into positions they aren't qualified to hold), but you are most certainly discriminating against the white man. Who, for no fault of his own, was denied the job he was qualified for, in favor of someone else, simply on the basis of the color of his skin.
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Originally Posted by SHABAZZ310
Look at it like this. If there was never any discrimination in regards to education and employment, affirmative action would have never been needed.. So instead of attacking the policies put in place to correct historical injustices, how about attacking the culture, attitudes, and actions that allowed discrimination to disproportionately affect minorities and women... Just a thought...
Look, if you think affirmative-action is necessary, that is your opinion. I'm only irritated by your refusal to admit that affirmative-action is a form of discrimination. And it is a form of discrimination which punishes the whites of the present, for something they didn't even do.
Affirmative action for low income people of all races, sexes, and ethnicities. Race and gender based affirmative action should be banned (although I'm willing to make exceptions for Native Americans and Roma)
Affirmative action for low income people of all races, sexes, and ethnicities. Race and gender based affirmative action should be banned (although I'm willing to make exceptions for Native Americans and Roma)
Why Roma? I'm pretty sure all of them immigrated to the US AFTER 1492 as "free" people. If they ain't happy here, there's the door.
Most of those names aren't really legal names, they are nicknames. Made up ethnic names like LeShawn and Aliyah have way more ghetto baggage than Billy Bob or Betty Jo. The former sound like hood rat names, the latter sound like "good ol' boys and girls"
A lot of those are real legal names, even sometimes Billy Ray, etc... Fact is, those names also get discriminated against.
Affirmative Action for red necks?
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